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'Mike Mar 20th, 2007 - 05:13:43
Well I will tell you what you weak little sissy JDL terrorist murderer,
if law enforcement would not take your vile side and accuse me of being the hateful one...after you and yours threaten and communicate threats,
I would sure meet you and we would see who the coward is.'
1)Mike? Mike what? If you are such a tough fellow why don't you sign your name to it? Until you sign your name to all this holocaust denial you are just a pussy.
2) Where have I threatened you? I haven't because I have more to lose. The absolute truth is I could take you apart and re assemble you in ways that you would like even less then your current stubby, poor, brown toothed, ugly fool with an ugly girlfriend state. (provided she hasn't left you yet) We both know that wont happen because I am not about to cash in my frequent flying miles to dirty my shoes on you and you couldn't afford to come over here. Not to mention that you are not welcome in the USA. So no, no threats.
3)I don't work for the JDL, I don't like them either. As a matter of fact, in my life I have been called a Nazi by a rabid Jew and a Jew by a rabid Nazi. I am quite proud of the idiots I have antagonized. You 'Mike' are the biggest idiot yet. You really are.
'That is your whole life, pretending to be a victim'
Are you sure that isn't more psychological projection? Start a couple of world wars, Murder people on an unprecedented scale, commit genocide and then try to paint yourselves as the victims?
Once again,
If you are telling the truth, as you are fanatically state that you are doing, don't you owe it to yourself, your volk, your reich to take a stand? LOL! You pussies don't stand a chance! Real brave on the internet but craven cowards in real life.
If there were any kind of 'Zionist conspiracy' you sniveling cowards would already be slaves if you are any measure of the ability to stand up against it. You had better get used to licking boots. Loser.
So Come on Brave German, take a stand. Sign your name. We can make arrangements for you to present all of your cut and paste 'evidence' gleaned from your lunatic asylum websites in court so you can show that the poor people of Deutschland have been the victims of a vast Zionist conspiracy.
You are not filling me with faith that even YOU believe this crap that you are posting. Surely if YOU believed this excrement then you wouldn't have any problem claiming public authorship. Right?
'You have to understand why the Jihadists are a threat. '
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The Vietnam War was a hoax! I have undisputable proof, right here.
uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_Hoax
IT NEVER HAPPENED! They made 'The Thin Red Line', 'Platoon' and 'Full Metal Jacket' for NOTHING!
'IT NEVER HAPPENED! They made 'The Thin Red Line', 'Platoon' and 'Full Metal Jacket' for NOTHING!'
The thin red line was about the World War 2 hoax. The other hoax involved was that Terrence Malick could direct.
One thing I see from this forum and having so many post a response,
is that the problem remains one of the victor always concludes he is 100%
correct and the bully will always be a bully...because of the nature and failure
of lower minds to reason.
Many answers are right there and waiting to be completely and could be with mutual respect. But it is apparent that some people's only purpose is to protect
their perceived version of any act, while shutting the communication port off.
What I have just said is how the manipulatoes in power rule the morons and the morons go and do what they are told. In the process, many good and decent kinds,
who are neutral to it all...are sucked into the whole concept and forced to die
for the argument.
This guy denying all the copy and paste as he calls it, is denying a lot of good men who were there and who know the inside workings of the whole conspiracy. Unfortunately in our world Hitler was correct, only the strong survive and if you do not protect yourself, you will perish, because the bullys and the idiots who fail to sit down and compromise, force the issue.
It is too bad that here in the 21st century, mankind is still mostly like a primative animal and fails to see his own stupidity.
In this case, we have as leaders the kind of men I just described. With that in mind, they are exactly what they accuse the jihadists of. That is not an excuse for the Jihadists, but it is the truthful comparrison.
When does two murders make one murder better?
I can honestly see a reason someone would want to selective breed. To breed the better qualities in man and get rid of the seed that continues to make war and hate and destruction. But the irony of it all is that to do that, you have to defend yourself, you are forced to argue with the lower of mind who cannot grasp the total concept of why it is necessary. I'll give you an example, if for instance cancer is genetic, then wouldn't it be smart to sterilize the seed of those who pass cancer? Is that inhumane? Of course not. Instead, we breed our cancer by the policies of race mixing with in turn creates more of the cancer and less of the human.
Of course that sounds supreme, but why did God create us different to begin with? There are three races, not 4. To mix them up, we get a lot of different combinations who really don't have a racial identity and are the cause of so many problems. Like I said, look at the stats on criminal behavior and tell yourself the truth for a change. It's like that one guy knowing he is ugly as hell, he knows it, but he don't want to admit it. He is a product of his breeding and of course it is not his fault, but truth says he ain't no Prince and it is the same with tendencies to war and kill and loot and steal.
The old man knows, but he is also biased. I can respect his knowledge, more so, if he tells the total truth and does not just fully blame Germans, when the evidence is clear that they were made to go to war and propaganda was a big factor in obtaining this present state of affairs.
What so many of you fail to do, is to look at all the root causes and really get to the source of the problem. Your government uses you as cannon fodder and you support it everytime. No one is willing to sit down and divide the pie into the proper slices, so then, each can go and sin no more...lest he does...he is guilty of his own transgressions.
How many of you believe America should attack Iran? I would be willing the crazies are all huffing and puffing to do just that, all because of listening to one side in the mass media and not getting all the facts.
There is another source of the problem, one small race of people controlling all the view-points that are spoon fed to the massive gullible public, who refuses to read and educate themselves with as much information available, instead of the one sided view.
I see no one has any chemistry answers, but thanks Robert....I will read all of his report. I had read some of it but what I am asking is a new type of question that I don't believe has been covered.
The mass gassing story is like this forum, no one wants to really discuss, they just want to protect their preconceived ideas of what they have been taught to believe and leave it at that without any intelligent dialogue over the possibility that something is very foul with the story as told.
I will contiue to look for total truth, no matter what I find. The total truth is the point in debate and in examining all things that have been of such giant magnitude and have so many implications in the state of our world today.
The rabble rousers are out in force I see and don't care for intellectual discussion, just chattering and name calling.
Nice to see that you nazi fags spent your weekend on this site, believing your own boolshit. Except Goose, he's cool. FYI, I spent my weekend out drinking good, clean Irish beer with my friends on St. Patty's day and sleeping with a beautiful blond with blue eyes, then I spent sunday at the shooting range. Meanwhile, you jerks sat here fappin' away about zionist plots, adolf the great and david duke while masturbating with only your own tears for lubricant and a waffen ss flag for a jerk rag.
This is what happens when people take Steven Colbert's truthiness thing to it's ultimate extent - it's what you feel, not what really happened. Like I give a s*** about what any of you white supremacist queers think. Oh, instead of taking responsibility for the things in my own life that are wrong, I'm going to resort to the lowest form of collectivism ever! Racism! Even an old guy from Russia with bad english knows what's up.
31 pages of pure bullshit, guess I can cancel my Alex Jones subscription now since it's all here for free! And you saved me money. Thanks, sour krauts!
Let's just assume for example that the total story of 6 million Jews and include all the old stories that used to circulate, such as the soap and lampshades from skin and so forth are all true. Of course we all know it was the truth seekers who finally got the liars to fess up and admit those lies.
But anyway, let's just assume it is all true. Is it right to continue to lock people up and to make them worship it? YES, it is worship to force someone to believe in something. When you make a law that says 'YOU MUST THINK THIS' that is forced worship.
Now we have schools teaching this 6 million story.....but we cannot teach them about Jesus.
Now I don't know about you, but someone telling me what I can or cannot believe is very irritating. To lock me up because I don't believe in certain things, is what is called force. Thinking is not action. That is something these law makers fail to understand. Thoughts are not incitements or actions. Actions are actions. Law is supposed to stop violence, not thinking.
How would believers like it if the governent made laws to lock you up for believing the 6 million story?
I will answer for you, you would be right her in this forum telling us how wrong it is. Of course you cannot see the irony of it all and that you fail to give the same rights you demand!!
That is the problem in a nutshell.
But I see conspiracy in the fact that this is so promoted all over the world and takes up so much time. It sounds like the promoters think of themselves as Gods and this story is above all that ever occurred. Even Jesus has taken
a backseat and is being pushed out for the sake of 6 million.
You people want to tell me what's up with that?
Why don't we finally explore and get all the facts and to the point that all peoples questions are answered? It could happen if the law was not keeping people from exploring this gold mine.
'But the irony of it all is that to do that, you have to defend yourself, you are forced to argue with the lower of mind who cannot grasp the total concept of why it is necessary. '
I hate to break it to you Michael, but you haven't demonstrated any difficult concepts here. You are simply wrong. Not just incorrect but wrong, both on the facts and the morality.
'Of course that sounds supreme, but why did God create us different to begin with? '
I hate to break it to you Michael, but you are not the one to play God. You are not 'supreme'. You would be an average little person were it not for the whole 'insanity' thing, that drags you down further.
'What so many of you fail to do, is to look at all the root causes and really get to the source of the problem'
Why else would I have wasted my time refuting your arguments. Your mindset IS the root cause. Denial of the obvious in a self serving claim to victim hood. Scapegoating another group for your lack of success. A megalomaniacal idea that you know what is best for everyone else and you are there judge and jury. Mostly, a complete disregard for objective truth, an ability to re frame reality into whatever suits your prejudice.
'The mass gassing story is like this forum, no one wants to really discuss,'
Because it doesn't change the fact that there was a systematic and effective attempt to eliminate a race of people. If it was Zyklon-B or polo mallets, it doesn't matter. The overwhelming bulk of evidence out there doesn't depend on just the oxidization point of a specific chemical. We had this out before when you were yammering on about 9/11. The fact is I saw the aircraft being flown into the buildings. You claiming that there were no aircraft and presenting 'evidence' cut and pasted from the internet just tells me that you are crazy. The mountains of evidence are not shaken by cut and paste nonsense of one nut who will not even sign his real name to his posts.
'I will contiue to look for total truth, no matter what I find. '
I doubt it, I suspect you will continue to look for whatever confirms your prejudices, regardless of whether or not it has any correspondence to reality.
'let's just assume it is all true. Is it right to continue to lock people up and to make them worship it? '
Worship? No. I even think you have the right to deny it if you wish. However, that doesn't make you any less of an asshole.
'Now we have schools teaching this 6 million story.....but we cannot teach them about Jesus. '
Why would you care about Jesus, he was a Jew? Remember?
'Thinking is not action.'
Especially in your case.
'It could happen if the law was not keeping people from exploring this gold mine.'
There are nothing but ashes in your gold mine. If you are honest with yourself that is all that you will find.
You are like the idiots who say guns kill people. Your logic is too insane to understand simple truths. The gun does not shoot and kill, the idiot with a brain (supposedly) shoots and kills with the gun.
Never again is like saying the gun kills. Laws to make it a crime to think based on the idea of 'never again' are exact replicas of the gun law.
What you hard core liberal zionist fools fon't get, is that it is the nature of a man, that causes his actions, not the weapon. Israel could be nuked off the map very easily by anyone of the powers that also have nukes, so to say never again and we need to make this thing about 6 milliona, a law of worship, is ()to borrow a word from a very insightful Lady) twin-speak.
Once again outlaw guns and lock up non violent citizens...and meanwhile the people who do violence continue to murder. That is the essence of idiotic, low intelligence thinking.
You speak but you deny all crimes against others that your GOD of worship has committed, calling them conspiracy theories. it is you who is the nut-bag and the bully type that is responsible for agression and the end result of war.
Germans are not liable to you or any other crack-pot who wants to live in the continual illusion of this new form of worship.
I still don't see your name posted, 'BIG MAN' hiding behind the internet?
You are just the JDL patrol and terrorist yourself. Your ilk is worse than all the Nazi's you can dream about in that feeble mind of yours. it is exactly your kind of thought that still believes the world is flat.
Race is everything moron, it is the blueprint of all things and a rose is not a poison ivy vine. Big difference meat-head and such simple logic that you fail to understand.
Now I tried to be civil with you, but like the madd dog, you only understand defense. So it was in Germany's protection of thier homeland, from idiots like you.
Before you call it copy and paste and unfactual, you have to learn a basic thing in life, You have to learn to READ. You are just a denier of the worst kind, who is only capable of lowly worship, without even knowing what you worship, because you cannot read the directions, so you only mimic the acts.
Bla-bla-bla is the total of all you have posted...and that is giving you credit you don't deserve.
The worshippers don't want the total facts to come forth, because it would mean
they don't have anymore excuse to murder their neighbors and to extort money
from the nin guilty.
It's like the Iranian President said, why should these Germans today pay for things they did not do? It is exactly like these Blacks thinking I should pay them for slavery. I am not guilty of slavery.
It is theivery and a con game of giant proportions.
When is Israel going to pay for all the Palestinians they have murdered and the
continual aggression?
OH, I forgot.....but that's different. The Chosen ones can do no wrong and they are only defending themselves. Sound familiar?
What about all of these Jews who don't believe in the Holocaust (there is a whole bunch of them)? Are they Nazis too and do you also want to put a bullet in their heads?
I guess under yor logic everything is a conspiracy, except of course the holocaust? In your way of thinking, the holocaust is the only history that is TRUE and worthy of laws to lock up anyone who refuses to believe it exactly as preached.
Yes, you are a hypocrite of the worst kind. On the one hand you speak of evil Nazis who killed people and then you agree with killing others for the sake of keeping this new religion alive.
I think it is just a matter of time and the holocaust will take it's rightful place in history, as part of WW2, not as WW2 and the only time people have died in a war.
Truth must come or WW3 will. That is what you people do not understand. You want to genocide the world to your way of thinking and you are working on it night and day.
Now you are after a decent woman who stood up for Germany and truth. Tell me it's not ZOG and it's not conspiracy to silence truth and I will rightfully call you a nut-bag.
Toronto, Tuesday, March 20, 2007
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German lawyer for Zündel charged with incitement
Associated Press
BERLIN -- German prosecutors on Tuesday charged a lawyer for far-right activist Ernst Zündel with incitement, accusing her of denying the Holocaust and ending one of her legal filings with the words 'Heil Hitler.'
The lawyer, Sylvia Stolz, represented Mr. Zündel in his first trial, which collapsed after Ms. Stolz was banned from the proceedings on the grounds that she was trying to sabotage the trial.
Mr. Zündel's second trial at the Mannheim state court ended last month with his conviction for incitement for denying the Holocaust. He was sentenced to the maximum five years in prison.
Mannheim prosecutors said Ms. Stolz herself has now been charged with incitement, attempting to thwart a prosecution and using symbols of a banned organization.
During Mr. Zündel's trial, she repeatedly disputed the Nazis' mass murder of Jews, called for hatred of the Jewish population, and ended a legal document with the words 'Heil Hitler,' they said in a statement.
The document was freely accessible on the Internet, they said.
The prosecutors also accused Ms. Stolz of trying to 'force an end to the proceedings' with constant interventions and 'provocations' that disturbed the conduct of the trial.
The presiding judge halted Mr. Zündel's trial last March to ask for Ms. Stolz's removal after she denounced the court as a 'tool of foreign domination' and described the Jews as an 'enemy people' in earlier sessions.
In April, she was carried out of the courtroom, shouting, 'Resistance! The German people are rising up,' after defying an order for her removal.
Prosecutors also seek to ban Ms. Stolz from working as a lawyer.
This really is the only attention you get, isn't it?
Going strictly by the text, Himmler's point in mentioning the then-ongoing Holocaust was clear. He was encouraging his officers, whose men were perpetrating the murders, to enforce a policy of zero-tolerance of stealing from the victims. Along the way, he emphasized the importance of both secrecy and ruthlessness in this operation.
But there is a subtext here, too. By describing this operation openly before this closed session, Himmler ensured that his audience was implicated in the crimes as well. It is a well-understood technique of persuasion to spread around guilt. Just as gangs are said to force new members to commit a serious crime, Himmler was making sure that everyone listening knew they were all in it together.
The Horror in the East
If we can still speak about a European culture (civilization), it is the achievement of a highly developed, blonde and bright-eyed race, which even at the misty dawn of time sent its surplus blood south to the Mediterranean and further to North Africa, and the depths of the Asian continent. Their strength later allowed the peoples of the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians and the Indians to develop their creativity in marvelous ways. The Germans too descended from this noble Nordic race, which the historian Tacitus praised highly even as his own people were collapsing. In the midst of the world's turmoil, the German people are the last stronghold of European civilization, thanks to the continuing effect of the German people's inherited Germanic blood.
It is therefore not surprising that decent German civilization found it impossible to accept stories of the horrible crimes of Bolshevism in the Twentieth Century, even though they had been foretold by the prophets of our age. This reluctance grounded both in innate decency and in the experience with Russian POWs working in Germany in the last four years has led even some Germans to believe that Bolshevism's inhumanity was only lying propaganda. But as the Bolshevist flood broke into Eastern areas of the German Reich and many thousands of Germans were witnesses of reality, the danger that Bolshevism could benefit from German self-deception has finally disappeared.
As we heard reports of the crimes of Bolshevist soldiers in the countries to our southeast, professional doubters and deniers said that they would only believe what they saw themselves or heard from eyewitnesses. Now that the horror in the East can be read in the faces of its victims, and after they have testified in German war courts, even the most determined doubters and deniers must recognize reality (to their own shame). This reality is mass murder and mass rape.
In the First World War too Russian army units broke into German territory, but no historian or German charged them with systematic mass rapes of German women and girls or the planned slaughter of men or their enslavement. What is the difference between then and now?
Have the Russian people become animals since the First World War? What has happened to Russia that proves the correctness of those who for many years have told the Germans and an innocent world that a monster was raising to the East, a monster that would rip into the peoples of Europe and destroy what we once called European civilization? There has been injustice as long as humans have existed, and the resulting dissatisfaction. And for as long people have established governments that they believed would benefit them. Those revolutions were natural as long as they resulted from a people's community of blood and civilization. But from the moment that the revolutions were led by blood-unrelated forces in the pursuit of selfish supra-national interests, these revolutions proved to be crimes against the independent life of the peoples. The leaders of the Bolshevist revolution in Russia were members of the Jewish people who followed the Biblical injunction: 'You shall devour the peoples of the earth!' Only he who knows this understands why the Red Army that has broken into Reich German territory is a beast. According to the New Testament, the Jews were murderers and criminals from the beginning. As it was in the Old Testament era, so it is today wherever the Jewish will has led them and their Bolshevist soldiers to seek their victims. In the 4th Book of Moses 31:14 it says:
Moses grew angry at the leadership of the army ... and spoke to them: Why have you left all the women alive ... strangle all the male children and all the women who are not virgins, but you may bring those female who have not slept with a man to your tents.
Just as the Jewish leader Moses ordered his forces to do to the conquered peoples thousands of years ago, so today the Red soldiers under the command of Jewry behave today wherever they reach through treachery or force: Men are murdered or shipped abroad as slaves, women and girls are raped and defiled!
'You shall devour the peoples!' How incomprehensible is the pious order of the 'god' Jehovah to the Jews! In our day it has become clear, as the Red slave army of World Jewry has broken into the heart of Europe! When this terrible war finally ends, the spirits of the murdered and tortured will rise from their mass graves in eternal accusation. The millions of faces of Cain, bastards brought into the world, will join the accusations. A horror will spread across the world, driving into the hearts of all those who did not want to hear or see at a time when the misery could still have been halted!
The preceding is the last lead article from Der Stürmer,
dated 22 February 1945. To the end, Streicher maintains that
the war is the result of the Jewish worldwide plot against civilized humanity.
Julius Streicher, 'Das Grauen im Osten,' Der Stürmer, #8/1945.
The Third Reich treated Jewish deportees as badly, but no worse, than the American government treated the conquered tribes of North America. The main differences lie in the fact that (a) the Indians resisted more violently and (b) the Jewish bankers & owners had no title to the wealth & property they acquired through revolutionary upheaval & loan schemes that preyed on the ruling classes, which, as always, imposed on the producers of wealth. The innocent were swept up with the guilty in the deportations; but the peoples conquered by Germany were less concerned with the fate of those who had exploited them than they were with the survival of their own peoples. The first to challenge the Oswiecim fabulations was a French socialist resistant. Hitler & the Kaiser before him were guilty of creating militarist police states; which, of course, is exactly what the officials keeping the fraud intact intend to establish. The only threat posed by Revisionism is to the permanent subjection of Europe to the companies that thrive in the presence of NATO bases.
In a quarter century, the judges who sentenced Rudolf, Zundel, and Irving will be regarded as we regard the judges & prosecution witnesses in the Salem Witch Trials.
Everything we face today in each of our respective European countries and America, has come to pass. The Germans warned us and so did the patriots
of that time and even after the loss of the war. Now we are faced with
this leftish and liberal, might as well be called Jewish communist existence.
The world is no longer peaceful or beautiful, but rather looks like the filth
of a distant third world. This is the gift of Judah and it's not over yet.
Is there one country that is white and is protecting the right to be white and remain nationalistic? if so let me know, because that is where I want to move.
Germans beware, your future is slowly turning into your holocaust, just as your
Fathers and Grandfathers tried to save you from. Your own corrupt government protects your executioners and makes you the easy prey, just as they have done in all other once white nations. Look at Britain, France, Austailia and on and on. Whites have been sold out and convinced by the giant propaganda machine to help destroy their own culture and replace it with the filth od the third world and dogs who know no decency.
Even today you refuse to listen. Reminds me of a Bible verse 'my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge'. Yes, you have failed to listen and so you are being genocided to a slow death as you welcome your executioners into your midst.
More and more truth tellers are being locked up by the Jewish paid for German government and it appears they have sold their souls to the devil and will continue to persecute their own people, just to keep the Jewsih master happy.
Mercel is a total disgrace to the word German, along with all those hangman Judges. There is no court in Germany, it is just a show. So what is the purpose of even calling it a trial oe having a trial in Germany? Truth is no defense and a person has no defense. The verdict is already planned.
Lil Abner denied the hollowcause maw, better geit yore gun and shoot him real quick like. we can't have none of them deniers of our sacred god.
Surely you must have some more 'evidence'that you can cut and paste? (That no one is reading anymore)
You are like an infant, tossing his toys out of the pram to get attention.
Was that a bratwurst fart, or did you say something? Nice to see the little hitlerian buttsex fest is still going.
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