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The western world is blinded by its media, hope that we were able to see more facts on the event. The tibetan religion is out of date and in this aspect, I'm completely a supporter of the Chinese authority to ban their ritual sacrifices with human lives and the torturing of their believers.
Beijing view the situation so seriously in Lhasa and the Tibetan provinces that a special security coordination unit, the 110 Command Center, has been established in Lhasa with the primary objective of suppressing the disturbances and restoring full central government control.
The center appears to be under the direct control of Zhang Qingli, first secretary of the Tibet Party and a President Hu Jintao loyalist. Zhang is also the former Xinjiang deputy party secretary with considerable experience in counter-terrorism operations in that region.
Others holding important positions in Lhasa are Zhang Xinfeng, vice minister of the Central Public Security Ministry and Zhen Yi, deputy commander of the People's Armed Police Headquarters in Beijing.
The seriousness with which Beijing is treating the present unrest is further illustrated by the deployment of a large number of important army units from the Chengdu Military Region, including brigades from the 149th Mechanized Infantry Division, which acts as the region's rapid reaction force.
According to a United Press International report, elite ground force units of the People's Liberation Army were involved in Lhasa, and the new T-90 armored personnel carrier and T-92 wheeled armored vehicles were deployed. According to the report, China has denied the participation of the army in the crackdown, saying it was carried out by units of the armed police. 'Such equipment as mentioned above has never been deployed by China's armed police, however.'
Air support is provided by the 2nd Army Aviation Regiment, based at Fenghuangshan, Chengdu, in Sichuan province. It operates a mix of helicopters and STOL transports from a frontline base near Lhasa. Combat air support could be quickly made available from fighter ground attack squadrons based within the Chengdu region.
The Xizang Military District forms the Tibet garrison, which has two mountain infantry units; the 52nd Brigade based at Linzhi and the 53rd Brigade at Yaoxian Shannxi. These are supported by the 8th Motorized Infantry Division and an artillery brigade at Shawan, Xinjiang.
Tibet is also no longer quite as remote or difficult to resupply for the Chinese army. The construction of the first railway between 2001 and 2007 has significantly eased the problems of the movement of large numbers of troops and equipment from Qinghai onto the rugged Tibetan plateau.
Other precautions against a resumption of the long-term Tibetan revolts of previous years has led to a considerable degree of self-sufficiency in logistics and vehicle repair by the Tibetan garrison and an increasing number of small airfields have been built to allow rapid-reaction units to gain access to even the most remote areas.
Not sure what the previous comment is suggesting. the only withholding of facts is thanks to the chinese government that has insisted on censoring the news to their own country, and all but closing off tibet from free reporting to the rest of the world. As to old beliefs, I'm not sure where ritual sacrifice comes into play with Buddhists. You may want to check your sources of info!
In all honesty, I hope that the whole world begins to get disgrundled enough to start withdrawing support for the olympis if the Chinese continue to move in the direction they are headed. It's time they begin a dialogue with the western world if they want our respect so badly. I'm interested to see when they will realize that they need to listen to others. So much of this could be very easily solved if they would simply listen to others.
Yew you are entitled to your opinion but your an absolutely wrong about what you are saying. China is an oppressive state and has been for a long time. You should study up on their internal policies regarding human rights before you speak again, and you should consider yourself lucky enough to be able to access this computer network and speak your mind without being arrested. In other words what China is doing is wrong, Tibetans are not even of Chinese descent and the vast majority of them are peaceful, life-loving people that deserve the freedoms that you and I take for granted.
what is so outdated about the tibetan religion?
why should one not protest the chinese government's all out attempts to DESTROY a culture, a race, a people?
beating and killing monks! come on - china can do better. what is so threatening about buddhist monks, falun gong, etc?
(oh, and how is tibet a part of china?)
YEW: At least the western world has a (paritally) free media, and is not just a tool of the state.
The monks are being sacrificied and being tortured. Strange how you think they are to blame, instead of the ones murdering and torturing them. Yeah! Blame the victim!
Even if this was 'just an interal affair', no state has the right to do this to its own people (or that of any other state, which Tibet actually was for most of its history).
The Tibetans have been victims of a cultural and baseless genocide sponsored by the Chinese government for years. The religion is one of compassion and kindness. To suggest human sacrifice as part of the religious practice of Tibetan religion either Buddhism or Bon, is both a demonstration of total ignorance and slander. There is no human, animal or any ritual sacrifice of living beings that is part of the Tibetan practice. To suggest that the religion is dated is to have no concept of the advanced philosophical perspectives advanced by this distinguished culture. It is very dad that the Chinese people are blinded by their own suffering to such a degree that they cannot figure out a way to live in harmony and peace with their Tibetan bretheren. The current course of Chinese action is reprehensible. Save Tibet and march to help them attain a meaningful independence with very real links to the Chinese government as the Dalai Lama has continued to ask for, for many years. Don't be mislead by negative and ignorant propaganda. Do the research. The EU is correct is making the statements it is making. Support them and continue to make the Chinese answer for the humanitarian crisis it is inflicting upon the Tibetan people.
'Tianmen Square - site of the bloody June, 1989 crackdown on Chinese reform activists'
haha, I think the Chinese media should really learn from their western peers this time-How to make the facts speaks for them. I strongly admire the reporting skills of the western media.Yes, all you say are 'based on' facts, and you know how to select the best angle of the issue. The tibetans are crying. Oh, poor guys, i am almost moved by them. But remember, the justice is not in the hands of those who cry and shout. Or, is there real justice in this event?
YEW,
You're foolish to believe the western world is blinded by their media. Remember China is the communist country who controls every aspect of their media and writes propaganda to ensure the intellectual enslavement of its people. That's why America is considered the freest country in the world and why we are held in such high esteem by the rest of the international community. We're far from perfect, but at least we're free and in China you wouldn't even have the right or ability to post such a foolish statement. The very message you've written has been done so using the right's which democracy and freedom allows and which those in China do not have. Fool. Think before you speak.
First of all, the no peaceful protesters were killed. The only ones killed are rioters. The western media conveniently overlooks the ordinary people killed by the Tibetan mob and rioters. What would you want your government to do when there is mob violence on the street? The Chinese government did not stop peaceful protests. In fact, monks protested for 4 days before the riots broke out. The Chinese government only clamped down when Tibetan rioters started burning down shops and killing people.
It's interesting (and depressing) to see how many Chinese contributors to this forum, and others in Western publications, simply regurgitate Chinese government propaganda.
When will they appreciate that one can criticize the Chinese government's actions without being anti-Chinese? I live in Switzerland and am strongly critical of the Bush government. Not because I'm anti-American; on the contrary, it's because I believe that the country deserves better.
Similarly, China deserves a government which allows people to hold and express dissenting views, rather than treating them as children to be dragooned lectured to.
The reason why China is receiving such widespread criticism in the West at the moment has nothing to do with 'splittism' or a desire to weaken the country, and everything to do with the Chinese government's intolerance of independent thought, and its insistence on monopolizing the media.
They may succeed in imposing their agenda within China, but they won't succeed in the rest of the world, and their efforts to do so diminish them in the eyes of thinking people everywhere.
YEW... who wrote that the tibetan religion is 'outdated' is a complete and utter moron. The Tibetans were invaded. Period. Whatever they do... they reserve the right to bring China to its knees for being a tyrannical and ruthless force accustomed to the practices of rape and torture.
I applaud the Tibetans and every ignoramus they can chuck a brick at.
China your fooling no one!
People, can't you see that Yew is a Chinese name. He's probably a Chinese student studying here in the U.S. Of course, he has been brainwashed in his country, communist China.
America is not free like you said!
Think Abu Ghraib
Think Guantanamo Bay detention, which still continues today
Think invasion of Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
I am sorry to point out, but big nations always bend the rules when it fits them, then criticize others for doing the same thing. America does it in Iraq, Russia does it Chechnya, India does it in Kashmir, Israel does it in Palestine, Spain does it too in Basque Country and Catalan. The only difference is America is powerful enough so nobody can do anything about it.
I do believe that western media is biased when reporting events in Tibet, and in China in general. It sees China often through tinted sunglasses: everying appears darker than it is.
I have witnessed tremondous progress China has made in the last 30 years. Everyone needs to have things in perspective.
I also believe that the China needs to take this opportunity to review its policies in Tibet. There is huge space for improvement and changes.
The Buddhist religion's two chief tenets are generosity and compassion. Definitely not out of date. The Dalai Lama does not hate the Chinese, despite how he and his people have suffered at their hands, because he lives his belief in compassion. He truly feels compassion for the underlings who have been forced, by their gov't, to kill innocent monks, refuse basic education to Tibetans, refuse jobs to the Tibetans, destroy Tibetan monasteries. Before the Cultural Revolution there were 4,000 monasteries in Tibet. After the Red Guards were finished there were 13 monasteries and one million Tibetans were dead.
Now, the Han Chinese have been paid with grants, jobs and free education, to move into Tibetan parts of Western China. Lhasa's population is now primarily Han Chinese. In addition, the monks are restricted in the Monasteries that remain. The largest monastery in the world, Drepung, had 6,000 monks. Now after much rebuilding, only 500 are allowed to live there. and those few are watched by Chinese spies who pose as monks and report any 'splittist' activity.
The Dalai Lama, who is considered the instigator of the riots, has no means to do so. In addition, he is not calling for the 'splitting' of the Tibetan region from China. He merely wants opportunity and freedom for his people to live and worship. Unfortunately, the Chinese can only see that they have poured money into the region and have lifted (for some people only) the standard of living and the Tibetans are not grateful. It is hard to see where there is a basis for negotiation.
Not agreeing with Chinese goverment does not mean 'Anti-Chinese'. That is the last thing in the world that any other country want another unstable China. Think 1.3 billions Chinese immigrants spreads out the world. Every single city of this world aldready has a Chinese town. They aldready conquered the world.
Chinese expect their citizens to work for the harmony of the state by conformance to standards including non-violoence and no protests. This is a part of Confucianism filial piety where the children are supposed to be subservient to the family.
The Dalia Lama as a cohort of CIA attempts to overthrow the government of China has already shown his cards of wanting to create his own serfdom based upon the practice of slavery that is ancient in Tibetan culture. The heart of the Maoist revolution was to forbid a class in society that rules over the general population very much unlike this Tibetan past.
Hence with these two principles of the Tibetan Buddhist's worldview is in direct conflict with the majority Chinese culture. Add the fact that western nations always viewed and supported Tibet because this was the doorway into China via military conquest. China will not yield in their demand of continued sovereignty over Tibet.
Tibet has been part of Tibet for all of modern history. Check out newschecker.blogspot.com
Google 'ST Circus' to learn about more of the CIA and Dalai Lama attempt at violent terrorist actions in China.
Brainwashed or not is an objective call. Could it be that the people in the west are brainwashed into thinking Tibet was ever an independent country? It was part of China dating back to the 13th century. It is recognized as Chinese territory by all the nations in the world. In fact, no western government is delusioned enough to suggest Tibetan independence because all of them have recognized Chinese sovereignty in Tibet for decades. Speaking of public support, the people in China are overwelmingly supportive of their government's policies in Tibet. In fact the main complaint in China is the government has been too soft on the Tibetan rioters. Again, this has nothing to do with being brainwashed. No sovereign government can allow it own territory to secede. The current Chinese government cannot allow it, and any future democratic Chinese government will not allow it.
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