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Stop all your nonsense!!!!
Please see Buddha quotes as follows:-
'All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?'
'Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love; this is the eternal rule.'
Buddha.
The reality is these Tibetan protestors are mostly non-Tibetans. They have never been to Tibet, they don't know what the life is there. Their knowledge about Tibet is all from Tibet-exile-government, which is very biased in its reporting.
I debated Tibetan issues with several Tibetans. They can not think clearly. When I questioned them about what they know about Tibetan history, culture and local people’s life. They can't answer any of that, they SIMPLY have no idea. All they have is anger, then, they felt they were embarrassed by me and they started using F words and profanity, even accusing me as a communist! So this is what freedom means to them:
They have freedom to speak, while others disagree with them have to shut their mouth.
I am very disappointed at these Tibetan activists. Their movement will never succeed.
**After I posted my comments, a Mr.Rasputyn angrily called me Chinese ambassador. The following is my reponse to him.**
To Rasputyn and all people who read my commentary,
See what I mean?
I disagree with them, so this Rasputyn started calling me Chinese ambassador. Mr. Rasputyn, your name says you are a Tibetan. You come to this country and you should learn some manner and the real meaning of democracy. What you said is all accusation and not any different from profanity; whatelse you call me? Al quaida?
I certainly make you disappointed again, because I am an American. Being an American doesn’t means I have to support your cause.
Your comment makes me even more disappointed. It’s not even worth to response to you.
The Chinese communist government use the Olympic game to glorify its self, the very same way as Nazi Germen did some 70 years ago.
It's very sad that under the all kinds of lies of the communists, a lot of Chinese people have been brain washed to the point that they no longer can think independently, and no longer can tell what is right what is wrong.
A new China free of communists free of lies and corruption and killing is long over-due.
The problems caused by the Chinese communist rule have to be solved one way or another!
If I were a Tibetan I would be protesting about the past slavery and torture of the Tibetan monks and slavery society that they had to endure for centuries.
If I were a Tibetan I would praise the Chinese government for trying to bring prosperity and peace to the region and for allowing me the freedoms that were non-existent during the reign of the Dalai Lama and his predecessors.
Tibetan's will be rewarded for hard work and peacefull coexistent with the many ethnic minorities in China. These minorities have social welfare programs aimed specifically at them being able to keep many cultural traditions as long as they do not revolt against the state. Better access to education is one of these privileges. Wake up Tibetans and fight against the tyranny of the Dalai Lama and get educated for the changing technological world that is all that much smaller than it was before. Don't let the Dalai Lama and his cohorts push you back into the dark ages of serfdom and slavery that was so common many centuries ago before China brought peace and prosperity and a better life for you all.
The brutal treatment of Tibetan protesters in Kathmandu demonstrates that Maoists obviously control affairs in Nepal. This doesn't bode well for that impoverished country. Doctrinaire authoritarian communism will only
impair diplomatic, cultural and economic relations with other countries who would otherwise be in a positon to assist Nepal. Besides, Maoists seem more interested in pushing their political agenda for self serving purposes, while other Nepalese are neglected. What seemed recently to herald a new day for Nepal following the dissolution of the monarchy has now been shown to be no more than a totalitarian power grab. Tibetans and Buddhists have an important place in Nepal's culture.
I love my country, I love my country doesn't mean I love the current regime.
There is no human rights for the poor and minorities, the law only speaks for and protect the rich and the corrupted officers.
Not everyone knows that the CCP did very bad thing to the Tibet people in the 50's; the current developments there did not take consideration to reserve the natural beauty and culture treasure.
I will cry for the Tibet.
I will be shamed by you - Yaw as a Chinese!
Thank you all western media. Thank you for intending to make my home country China a better state. Thank you very much!!!
But please let us, let our own legal government deal with our own problems, okay? Please leave us alone. We have our own values and philosophy.
Care more about your own business.
China will be united joyfully and peacefully!!! That's a voice from 1.3 billion people.
@ alex.....'America does it in Iraq, Russia does it Chechnya, India does it in Kashmir, Israel does it in Palestine, Spain does it too in Basque Country and Catalan.'
It appears you either suffer with poor knowledge or deliberately hiding the facts! America does it in Iraq for known and hidden reasons, for which poor Iraqis are suffering now. What Russia did with Chechnya is known for good. Israel does it in Palestine for ages, not just Israelis mistake. Looks like you are closing your eyes by saying India does it in Kashmir. Did you means Pakistan a holy nation? Better ask Pentagon and CIA. And fitting Spain in this equation is totally a mindless act!
China is growing as a irresponsible power. It is threatening it's neighbors. Going logger heads with US & EU. It doesn't like Japan and some Asian giants like India. Chinese use age old cheap trick to fight one nation with another, in the end to get benefited out of these fights! That's why Chinese are arming Pakistan secretly. If with the same attitude, China will cast huge shadows on the Global security aka triggering potential WW-III. China MUST BE tamed for Global peace.
@ Meditation
you are 100% correct! But these jack asses think something else, this destructive nature of the 'Human Being' will wipe out this planet one day....you see already count down started in Antarctica. Hope these Morons wake up and stop fighting with each other!
There is no question Chinese needs to be more democratic. China is moving in that direction and the Olympics is a great opportunity to do that. But people who argues for Tibetan independence or boycotting of the Olympics, they must be deluded or have some anti-China hidden agenda. Do you really want China to turn inward and become isolated? I am sure they will crack down on Tibet even more if the welfare of Tibetans is what you want. There is no way China can allow Tibet the kind of autonomy that the Dalai Lama has asked for. No sovereign nation can allow it. And all the China-hating propaganda in the western media, they merely make people in China more suspicious of western countries.
Can anybody explain how hacking to death, burning alive of Han Chinese shop keepers is a peaceful protest. What so bad this people did to Budhist monks to deserve this. Just do not tell me that Budhists express their frustration with Chinese government this way.
Hey Western Wisdom
you got some great points and I think many will agree on some but one point of information; communism is an economic system not a political system and you should know that China now has a market-based economy. 'As of 2005, 70% of China's GDP was in the private sector.' (wikipedia).
While communism is arguably the cause of many problems in China it's not the reason for media control and the other terrible crimes of the Chinese government. It just so happens that the name of the sole ruling party in China is called the 'Communist Pary' but it's important to distinguish the two. Communism is not the problem in China it's an authoritarian oligarchy.
China's historical claims on Tibet are tenuous at best and the arguements supporting it border on the fantastic, and their rationale for their so called liberation of Tibet are ludicrous. Lets see, because old Tibet was not exactly a wonderful modern place to be, that justifies the Chinese invasion to help the Tibetans (already the racist idea of Han superiority manifests itself by the view that Tibetans cannot take control of their own affairs)modernize. So, by this logic, because imperial China had backwards traditions like foot binding, etc, Western nations would have been right to invade and impose their ideas of modernity on China? Further, the idea that the Dalai Lama wishes to restore the old system is plain stupid, it couldnt be restored in its entirety if Tibet were independent today. Tibet, like all other nations, should chose its own destiny. Of course it would have changed anyway had it not been invaded, as has every other nation on the planet in the last 50 years.
Sorry, but for those mindless minions who actually believe what the Chinese gov't tells them, the crimes China commits in Tibet is most certainly everbody's business. The tired line that no gov't recognizes Tibet as an independent state today only serves to illustrate how beholden the nations of the world are to China for economic reasons, but that may change if and when a worldwide recession settles in. One day the Chinese people will see through their gov'ts lies, just like the citizens of the now defunct Soviet Union did. And then another old empire reconstituted under the ideology of Communism will be consigned to the trash heap of history, and then the Tibetan and Han nations will both be free and hopefully live alongside each other as good neighbors.
Akula2:
I guess you must be misunderstanding me because I am not suggesting India shouldn't be controlling a large part of Kashmir. I think they should. Every nation should look out for their own interest and stop blaming other people for their problems. However, it is also clear to me that a sizeable majority of people in Kashmir don't want to be part of India. I don't support their right to secede from India, nor do I support the right of secession anywhere else.
Is China more irresponsible than other big nations? America goes to war in Iraq, and previously in Vietnam and Korea. Nobody did anything about it. You can't hold superpowers to the same standard as other nations. In this world, power and money talks, and American power and money talks louder than anyone else.
It is the mindless minions that believe China has committed crimes in Tibet.
It is the Tibetan Buddhist monks that have been criminal. With the ideas of terrorism and murder these monks have denigrated everything that Buddha ever stood for.
The Chinese people have been to patient with these terrorists and Western nations interference into Chinese internal affairs will only harden the Chinese peoples unwillingness to appease the monks determination for violence.
Tibetans need to appreciate the vastly greater freedoms that they have ever had in their history. As Chinese they need to understand that the good for the whole is more important than the good for a few. Stop listening to the Western idealization of Machiavellian politics and the nature of western nations to be selfish individualistic consumers.
The Chinese government has an 85% approval rating by the citizens of China. Far higher than that of many of the so called modern western nations that only wish to denigrate the great advances China has made in the past 20 years.
Alex:
America is not free? I think you are very wrong. I think the USA is a free country and the citizens have numerous freedoms. Unfortunately, like everything it's not perfect and it has many flaws. One such flaw is that its people have put economic freedom ahead of personal freedoms. Another problem is that individuals are given a false sense that they have a greater impact on their government than they actually do have. Another is that the country has committed many crimes against humanity and the international community over the years but has undo influence in the international community and is able to get away with it.
Having said all that we must recognize that the beautiful thing about the USA is that I am citizen of the USA and I am uncensored and able to publicly criticize the country. I'm not going to make excuses for a government out of silly national pride. I also respect the Zurich poster who criticized the US government (the government of my birth) after all what would we be if we couldn't accept and consider the critique of our fellow humans from varying perspectives? To paraphrase a wise wise man, If I am only for my country what am I, but if I am not for my country at all who am I?
I am on a website hosted in the USA. I am reading news and information from around the world uncensored via the Internet (which was created by the US government and later used and further developed by universities). This resource was made public and international and is uncensored. This would be unheard of if in many places around the world. I know that the USA is not innocent in many things and I welcome intelligent dialogue about the issues but I would hope that my brothers and sisters from other nations would be able to do the same about their countries.
In the end we are all humans and governments, economic systems, geographic boundaries, flags, and languages are all human inventions and can just as easily be rearranged, shifted etc. so maybe it's time we all truly recognize this human connection irrespective of arbitrary borders and social constructs like nationality and race.
reality:
I agree that China's claim on Tibet depends on which side you are on. To some people it's not convincing. But guess what? Large nations use suspicious reasoning to justify their actions all the time. America just used some contrived justification to invade Iraq, continues to occupy Iraq, and according to John Mccain, will occupy Iraq for the next 100 years. Nobody raises their voice against America because they all know how rich and powerful America is. Yet people accuse China for throwing its political and economic muscle around? In this world, power counts. That's the way it is and the way it should be.
I know there are all these calls for Tibet independence. Did anyone who calls for Tibet independence think about how Tibet will survive once it is on its own?
Let's set some facts straight:
1) China invaded Tibet in 1949. Tibet's invasion was condemned by America, Britain, and the vast majority of UN nations. Before that, Tibet was NOT under the rule of any foreign country.
That includes China.
Read that again you brainwashed Commies.
2) Tibet was hardly a bastion of peace and love prior to China's invasion. It was a feudal society where the Dalai Lama lived in a fourteen story castle with a thousand rooms while the peasants toiled away in the fields. There was no education, health care or civil rights. Peasant women were sexually abused, dissidents were tortured, life sucked as it did in any feudal society.
Tibet was not Shangra-la
Read that again you brainwashed Yanks.
3) Free Tibet.
They've endured thousands of years of abuse by both their former tyrants, and their present ones.
Free Tibet.
Everyone deserves freedom.
Everyone deserves the right to free thought, free speech, and free assembly.
Chris, Once Tibet is 'freed' as you wish. Who do you propose to feed Tibetans? Who is going to put in infrastructures? Who is going to provide military support?
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