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Joel LintonNov 24th, 2007 - 02:20:19

I wish the Deutsche Presse-Agentur and other international news agencies could get their facts straight instead of just repeating the Chinese propaganda line. Please add the words 'China claims' Taiwan split amidst a civil war. What happened is that the R.O.C. regime lost a civil war in China and then fled to Taiwan, which after the end of World War II was an as-of-yet undealt with Japanese colonial territory. Taiwan was not involved in the civil war in China. The war ended in 1949, but Taiwan was not relinquished by Japan until 1951 in the Treaty of San Francisco and in that treaty, both Japan and the United States studiously avoided making any statement that transfered sovereignty to the R.O.C.

So with the peaceful overthrow of the R.O.C. colonial dictatorial regime in the 1990's, Taiwan's sovereignty now rightfully belongs to and is exercised by the people of Taiwan. It will remain so unless the nations of the world continue to violate Taiwanese human rights and appease an aggressive authoritarian neighbor, the P.R.C. which has never governed Taiwan at any point in its history. We know from Hitler's Anchluss of Austria -- appeasement and passively sitting by while one nation is forcibly annexed by an aggressive authoritarian neighbor will not lead to peace, but to more war. Let's not make the same mistake again. The time to stand up to China is now, not after it has been able to carry out its aggressive imperialistic racist schemes, of first annexing all ethnic-Chinese nations (united to the 'motherland') just like Hitler's scheme to bring all of the Germanic peoples under control of the 'Fatherland'.

Sure, it will cost nations to stand up to China. But it is costing them to appease China, too, and that cost will only grow -- the cost to the environment, to the economy, to world peace, to a degrading of democratic freedom around the world and a bulstering of authoritarian dictatorships. Need I name Venezuala, Iran, Sudan, Burma, North Korea? What nation has been consistently behind them? North Korea would not even exist unless China had not gotten involved to the support of the dictator Kim Il-sung. What nation has inspired these dictators to follow the model of authoritarianism? An economically strong China. You think you will avoid war by giving in and allowing China to annex Taiwan? How many wars around the world will be spawned by all those dictators whom China aids and abets.

And think about the billion Chinese who are not free and under the thumb of a small elitist regime? Is the guilt of their suffering not also on the nations of the world who, for the sake of transient stability and economic gain, stood by and did nothing.

Kóng Láu-si?t

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Taiwan PatriotNov 24th, 2007 - 03:08:48

I see no anti-Taiwan bias in this article at all.

Why is it that EVERY pro-independence-for-Taiwan person hurls insults and whines about every article that is fair or pro-China, but if it's anti-China (i.e. if it makes horrible LIES about China), then it's completely fine and dandy?

Where is the accountability? Why the hypocrisy? Why can't pro-independence Taiwan or whoever supports Taiwanese independence point out bias that is both for and against China?

No wonder only 24 small nations want to recognize Taiwan.

What Joel Linton, who is also biased, fails to mention even in HIS OWN rebuttal to the article, are the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations of 1943 and 1945. In those Declarations, the Allies agreed that when Japan loses the war and surrenders, Taiwan, Manchuria, and the Pescadores will be surrendered back to the Republic of China, which was the legitimate government of mainland China at the time.

And even before the Republic of China and before Japan invaded Taiwan, Taiwan was under the rule of the Qing Dynasty of MAINLAND CHINA.

So before everyon starts hissy-fitting about 'facts being left out' or 'they are biased', please try to follow YOUR OWN ADVICE by leaving in ALL THE FACTS, instead of just picking and choosing the facts that suit your own argument.

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crazyaznNov 25th, 2007 - 13:01:22

The ROC 's objection is correct unless they can get a very firm assurance that the PRC national will be totally unbiased in dealings between the SCToTMKP and the PRC as they are referred to in the WTO.

The PRC has never had any jurisdiction over the ROC and her territories ever.

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Joel LintonNov 25th, 2007 - 14:19:10

The Qing Dynasty was not Chinese. It was a foreign empire with a completely distinct language that conquered China but also conquered other nations including Mongolia. Chinese might not like to acknowledge the fact that they were conquered by foreigners, but centuries before the Mongol empire likewise conquered China and many many other countries. In Chinese history this is called the 'Yuan' Dynasty but was not Chinese at all. It was a Khanate of a greater empire. The same for the 'Qing' dynasty. If you go to Tainan's Confucian temple, there are stone carvings from the 1700's where you see two languages -- the Manchu language with a syllabic script and the Chinese language side by side --- because the Manchu were not Chinese. They did at some point move their capital to Beijing, but no Chinese state has a right to claim all of the former Manchu empire.

The Cairo and Postdam Declarations, etc. were non-binding press releases or statements of intent that do not have a force of a treaty or any formal standing in international law. The actually treaty that followed in 1951 was the conclusion to the matter.

The two ratified treaties that relate to Taiwan are the 1895 Treaty of Shimonoseki where the Manchu empire ceded the part of Taiwan they controlled --- (the west) East Taiwan was still independent, as it had been for thousands of years populated by Austronesian Tribes --- but the Manchu empire ceded all claims it had on Taiwan and the Pescadores in perpetuity to Japan. It was the Japanese who actually conquered the eastern part of Taiwan and brought a territory that had been free for thousands of years under colonial rule.

The other treaty related to Taiwan is the 1951 Treaty of San Francisco, already mentioned above that relinquished Japan's claim but did not cede it to China.

The only remaining part of international law relevant to Taiwan is the right of its people to self-determination. E.g 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights; 1960 U.N. Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples. (Resolution 1514 XV) East Timor has finally been acknowledged even though great pressure came from its large neighbor Indonesia. It is high time the U.N. recognized Taiwan.

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Re:Nov 25th, 2007 - 22:46:16

'Taiwan Patriot', why do you always mix up two things that have nothing to do with each other? yes, only 24 countries recognize taiwan, but that's purely economic reasons and not because of DPP.
whenever people picked on your flaws in your writing, you just labeled them as insults and hypocrisy. Since you really don't have a lot to back up your nonsense, I think people who reads those comments will conclude that you are definitely a complete nonsense!
Mr. Linton's remark was both very infomative and has evidence to back up his statements. You don't!

To Mr. Linton: I wish you can write more post in enabling others to know more about Taiwan.

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