NoharnessApr 13th, 2007 - 21:16:13

From this statement, we may safely assume that Fidel Castro is also running Venezuela--at least in terms of overall policy.

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tonny from belgiumApr 14th, 2007 - 06:56:56

noharness feel free to assume whatever you want .Dare I assume your statement is derived from ignorance of basic facts ? Namely that Chavez was elected twice facing the toughest oppostion of the media and political and economical powers .THat a miltary coup executed against himwas met with such fierce opposition from the poorest parts of the population 'which in such a country is the majority in case you didn 't know ) and even the lower ranks of the army that he was released and put in charge again .What could cause such a massive outburst support ?Certainly not the uproar from the press or radiostations in the hands of the local oligarchy .No doubt you think it is insiduous communist propaganda .To me thing are more rational .He gave his population wellfare,education and a decent status of living .THe huge revenues from the oil exploitation were put to good use .An oil exchange against cuban doctors benefited to the two countries involved .Something wrong with that ? A lot more can be said about the situation,feel free to share information with us ,preferably not spouting propaganda but facts.

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NoharnessApr 14th, 2007 - 12:03:30

All you need to do, Tonny, is to listen to what his magnificent Hugo-ness says. He worships the ground Fidel Castro walks on. He has allied himself with the Tehran, Belarus and the DPRK. He has already nationalized most of his economy and is in the process of completely nationalizing the oil industry in Venezuela. What about this does NOT look like something Fidel Castro would do, Tonny?

Well over fifty percent of his 'gifts' to his supporters, at home and abroad, are being paid for by us Americans. I do not advocate going to war with the Venezuela, but I DO think it very foolish of us to continue funding a communist by buying oil from Venezuela. He should consider himself lucky that I am not the governor of Texas, because CITGO would be finding it very difficult to operate a refinery here if it were up to me.

And, no, I don't care what my fellow Americans and I will be obliged to pay for gasoline. We pay too little for that evil stuff as it is.

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tonny from belgiumApr 14th, 2007 - 17:30:39

I guess I go along even with his decision to nationalize the oil industry too.At least the benefits are going where needed ,and that is to the poorest parts of the population .Sometimes things are simple in this world .The poorest people,the have-nots do not defend the private owning of their nation's most important resources.Just think about it,why should they ?I know it is a mortal sin in the US to say that one is a socialist,but i assure you in Europe it is not ,and we are still enjoying freedom and diversity .Hence I dare say to the population of Venezuela to enjoy their resources and share them with those who need it.As for Chavez little bravado war against Bush I dare say your press is cherry picking whatever they can use .They paint a one dimensional picture of the man .Reality is sowewhat more complicated as usual .

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NoharnessApr 14th, 2007 - 18:20:59

Yes, I DO know about the 'cherry picking', that is why I read papers from all over the world when I can. Praise Athena for the internet. I even read the KCNA and the Venezuelan papers. Sometimes my estimate of the circumstances changes because of that and sometimes they don't. I don't apologize for my estimates either way unless I'm proven wrong.

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tonny, you are an idiot.Apr 14th, 2007 - 19:52:54

Tonny, you are such an idiotic adolescent trotskyite. Grow up for Gods sake. New York is full of Venezuelans that have fled the mess that Chavez is making. He is ruling by decree now, just like Stalin or Hitler. The fact that you would call anyone else 'ignorant' when you are such a cloistered, out of touch with reality, reading what only confirms your prejudices idiot is typical of the sanctimonious, know-nothing european leftist mentality: Dead wrong, yet smug about it.

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NoharnessApr 14th, 2007 - 21:17:33

Another of His Bolivarianess's buddies,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moammar_Ghadafi

And another guy the left hates to love, but loves anyway, even though on top of everything else the guy is schizophrenic.

Why is it the 'left', supposedly the 'defenders of liberty and individualism' can never work up so much as a mild dislike for these vicious dictators? Are they suckers for the demagoguery, or are they dictators themselves in their hear of hearts. Masochists, maybe? Frankly, I don't understand it one bit.

Tonny, would you try to explain it to me? Go slow. I'm thick-headed old conservative.

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