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By M&C News Aug 8, 2007, 1:29 GMT
Lily Allen’s visa revoked by US due to past arrest
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So lets see, Pete Townshend a convicted sex offender is allowed into the US because he is in the Who? and Lily Allen is refused because she was arrested for a minor offence.. Perhaps it is her music which is the problem if thats what you call it yawn.... On a more serious note the US does not recognise the rehabilitation of offenders act so anyone who has ever been arrested for any offence now has to prove themselves worthy to enter. What riles me is that the crime rate in the US is 10 times worse than in Europe and yet somehow the fact people can travel freely here without Visa's does not figure in their estimations whatsoever. Anyway, if you dont like it you could go visit a civilised nation instead... And BTW MadcapMagician, it is not legal to possess indecent material in any European Country. It is however legal in some US states to posess images which would be classed as indecent in Europe however..
The Bush girls are citizens of the US. Weeping Jesus on the cross, if your a citizen and you break the law you can stay. What do you want us to deport everyone with a criminal record, he not a bad idea that way I wouldn't have to live around a bunch of law breakers.
Yeah they better send her ass back. Just like they banned Snoop. Pay back time baby!!!
George Bush is goofy. Oh yeah, right now I am choking my chicken.
hey if i fart in the forest can any of you morons hear it?
let me know..go listen
The firearm murder rate might be 10 times higher in the US than it is in most of western Europe, not the crime rate. The total murder rate is about 3.5 times higher, the violent crime rate is approximately the same, and the overall crime rate is less than half of that of Europe.
For statistics:
Murder:
US - 5.5 / 100,000
EU - 1.6 / 100,000
Total crime
US - 3900 / 100,000
EU - 8000 / 100,000
These aren't the best numbers to use, since they come from 2 different studies. However, they are from the same year (2004), and do show the real trends. Please stop taking pot shots at the United States just because everyone else in the world will believe any B.S. that will justify vilifying Americans at every opportunity. Americans are not, on the whole, any more ignorant than any other group of people. Unfortunately, due to the dominance of American pop culture in the world market, our idiotic views get much more exposure than those of anyone else. That, in turn, reinforces the negative stereotype of the ignorant, arrogant, redneck American.
Why are there so many people making comments about the criminal pasts of American citizens? What does that have to do with the criminal past (minor assault) of a foreigner wanting to work in America? Please tell me how it's relevant to this subject. We have enough yahoos punching out the vulture newscasters already, we don't really need another one running around do we?
So assaulting someone is the same as partying? You cannot travel if you smoke the ganja? What is the deal?
Sorry to bore everyone with some facts but:
'She's being detained because of a conviction.'
no shes not, shes being detained for a past arrest. Anyone arrested, regardless of whether they were innocent or if the charges were dropped cannot enter the US without detailing the arrest and admitting it.
'Like felonies commited here in the States there are travel restrictions.'
Again, no. Shes not being detained based on the conviction itself, only the prior arrest.
Carry on.
...we have this thing called law. I'm also not aware of any cocaine charges against the Bush family, although Al Gore's kid IS a criminal!
Learn how to spell dude before you take shots at others.
First of all Illegal means one thing your a criminal, Second of all If Illegal Immigrants paid their fair share NO ONE WOULD CARE. And Third of all your a first class DUMBASS, DUMBASS, DUMBASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Couple of comments:
1. She had a work visa. It was revoked. If she already had a visa, she must have filled out an application, and if so, she must have stated she had no criminal convictions on her application (if she had listed the minor conviction, she might still have been granted the visa, and there would then be no reason it would have been revoked later). Immigration must have found out later. Her visa was probably revoked because she falsified (inadvertantly or intentionally) her application. If one of her minions filled it out for her, and it was inadvertant, she'll probably get reinstated. However, if it's more fun to rail against the US government, who cares about the real facts?
2. Re: the government-bashing, Bush-bashing, America-bashing, and pathetic morons who criticize everyone who doesn't feel as sorry for themselves as they do and thus hate anyone who takes any responsibility:
People who travel a lot are generally more educated than those that don't, so I'm not surprised that people traveling to the US find most people they meet beneath their exalted state of awareness. I was raised in the US and most people I meet in the US are just average people, poorly educated (relative to the typical world traveler), except in pop culture trivia, conspiracy theories, and other popular garbage.
The AVERAGE person I typically encounter in Europe, New Zealand, etc, is equally ignorant, just as opinionated, and has even slightly more distorted ideas about world politics than the average American (probably because, as bad as the US media is, the European media is worse, being even more slanted to relativism and intellectualism at the expense of common sense and long-term considerations). In my experience European travelers are a bit too arrogant in their opinions on average, perhaps because of a concious superiority complex which exists to offset their unconscious inferiority complex over God knows what. Most people I've met in much of the rest of the world might as well have been educated on a different planet, as they more often than not have grown up in a place where the news is nonexistant or, as in Iran, Belarus, etc., intentionally fabricated with the wildest lies. On the other hand, because of their soft upbringing, Americans (and almost as many Europeans) admittedly have no common sense about the realities of the world, and are very vulnerable to aiding history in repeating itself once again now that most who endured WWII are old or dead). For your enlightenment: the human species has all those wonderful qualities that most of you imagine in your mind would shape our civilization if only Bush, corporations, and the military would go away; unfortunately, the human species is also still capable of every depravity experienced in history, and the common man is just as untrustworthy, selfish, cowardly, subjective, violent, and capable of evil as those they criticize. This will never change, and there will always be wars--you just have to decide if you want your culture to be the one that loses, or the other one.
There is no handbook for how culture is supposed to be anyway, so quit squabbling over minutiae and just look at the big picture. Europe (and America), make a choice: work together to preserve western culture, or eventually be destroyed or subjugated by Islamic fundamentalist culture, which is what will happen if you continue to bury your heads in the sand (The idea would be a joke, given the impotence of the middle-eastern culture except for the enormous oil revenues which can pay the bill for devastating weapons that don't require a physical invasion). It's easy to take the moral high ground, as Chamberlain did (and the rest of Europe, who could have easily stopped Hitler early on). It's those who don't have the character to make a choice and make a stand that wind up dying like flies when all hell breaks loose. Just for ONCE, Europe, think ten years ahead and do something to preserve your own security and culture.
Taking a stand and stopping those who would subjugate you always requires doing things which, viewed from the philosophy of relativism, are bad--war, embargoes, intelligence-gathering, imprisonment of combatants, etc. Taking the moral high ground, one can believe himself to be a superior type, right up to the point where the enemy chops his head off. If you truly believe your culture is at least somewhat better than that of the enemy's, stopping them is the truly moral thing to do. If trying to think ten years or more into the future makes your head hurt, and you can't lead or help, then just shut up and stay the hell out of the way.
Dearest HEY THERE COLIN.
If there was an intelligent arse I'm sure we would have heard about it! Your droneing rant just shows that I'm at least partly right, ('thick as two planks'),when you use 'your' when you mean 'you are' try spelling it 'you're'
Uh, Colin, the proper spelling is 'droning'
bob4,
you're quite correct,sorry,slip of the mind!
Wow......
anyway..... Every other free country has explicit and strict immigration laws;however, the US gets slammed when we enforce ours.
bummer
more boring facts!
'and if so, she must have stated she had no criminal convictions on her application'
No, you state prior arrests aswell.
'Have you ever been arrested or convicted for any offense or crime, even though subject of a pardon, amnesty or other similar legal action?'
Basically shes didnt outline the arrest. This has nothing to do with convictions or being a criminal, per say.
Once youre arrested, again, even if the charges are dropped, false, improper, dismissed and you are innocent (not saying that this is the case here), you must declare it.
europeans & yanks--y'all both need to chill.
there are at least two parts to a country, the govt and the populace. the govt is SUPPOSED to represent the populace, but often doesn't 100%: 1. many citizens of the usa disagree with bush's policies 2. although the french govt collaborated w/the 3rd reich there was also a local resistance force.
europeans: go to the usa--it's not such a bad place to visit.
americans: see above, substitute *europe* for *usa.*
to both: countries are getting much pickier about who they let in--if they have a reason not to admit someone (even if we think it's silly) often they won't.
who are these morons who write stupid republican things like they get paid to?
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