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Lily Allen’s visa revoked by US due to past arrest
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What about GW Bush? Or his daughters? They all have convictions for drunken driving, possession of crack cocaine, etc.!
Thats so typical for the INS, never mind they have the same attitude as the bible belt and when you pay only low salaries you do not get people who can avoid bad publicity, only those who go by the book, if they can read and understand. It just serves as a reminder for the state of mind the Americans have in general. Hope she learns and avoids the US and makes money in the civilized world
Re, the last comment, George Bush and his Daughters are AMERICAN, therefore they do not require work visa's. Your hatred of the Bush's is evidence of your blindness to truth.
Stay out in the 'civilized world' and wath us on MTV... HAHAHAH how stupid u are! U love America and don't want to accept it!
Now... let's have some smart comments !
Ah, Zhu Bajie - where to start?
First of all, do you understand what a visa is? It allows a person to visit a country that they are not a citizen of.
Surely you are not suggesting that the President and his daughters are not citizens of the US?
Next, I believe your reference to cocaine would apply to Jeb Bush's daughter - Not George Bush's. She is the President's niece. She too is a US citizen.
I would expect that whatever country you are a citizen of, would be very unlikely to extend a work visa to Noelle Bush anytime soon.
Hopefully that helps clarify things for you...
Well I guess that means George W. Bush and his daughters can't go to Britain, then.
I believe Noelle Bush was bsuted for OxyContin, not Crack. The Bush Twins were underage alcohol busts.
well it seems our so called 'civilized' western Euro bretheren have once again showed thier true colors... they hate what they cannot themselves get, they have allowed them selves to be deluded into the thinking that they are the civilized answer to the worlds problems... lets see.. where should I start ... amsterdam... where it is leagl ob tain kiddie porn for 'personal' use .. germany, where the reemerging neo nazi underground threatens to bring back a long dead evil... france where they just dont give a flying you know what, and will just as soon turn tail and run as look at ya. I think these 'civilized' people need to remember that they would not be anywhere near the level of 'civlization' as they are today had my country not come to thier rescue in the 40's. had our soldiers not fought and died for them, they would nowat this very moment be listening to recordings of adolph spewing his BS, slauting a nazi flag, and celbrating hitler's birthday...
now with that said, i know it was almost 70 yrs ago when this happened, and is 'ancient history' to some of the less educated 'civilizaed' people in europe... but takea look today, what nation on the face ofthe planet is always willing to come to the aid of anyone who asks, when was the last time you visited america and actually talked to one of us... when was the last time you did anything but sit on your fat butts and complain... America is not perfect, we never claimed to be, we have problems, but at least we try and fix our problems , we dont talk crap about others.
if you dont like me because i am an american t hen fine well see you on the battle field, if you have a problem with us because we happen to be the biggest capitalist nation on the planet, and make more $ than you could ever imagine, remeber this it all come from our hard work, sweat, and blood. if you want the same prosperity as us then get off your butts and work, dont rely on your scicialist governments to give it to you.
d'coios and anthony are just prime examples of red neck repukelicans. no one can say anything about this dumb ass president and his zapped family. all of them are just dope smoking, beer drinking chicken hawks like d'coios and anthony i am sure. Hahahahahaha. what a bunch of freaks these two are. freaking repukelicans.
Suck it.
USA A-OK
Oh god! Please tell me we are not having a political discussion over yet another 'Pop Star' who cannot control herself. Discuss the problem that she assualted someone and she is paying the price for it. Do a crime, pay the time.
I'm surpised we are not blaming Bush for Lindsey or Paris. I don't like him either, but I don't put blame where it doesn't belong.
She's being detained because of a conviction. Like felonies commited here in the States there are travel restrictions. You can't leave the jail, or leave town, leave the county, leave the state, blah, blah, blah.
Her being detained is not because of Bush, the French, the Germans or my dead grandmother. She has to work out her issues of committing a crime before she can travel to another country. NOT A BIG ISSUE.
Here's a big issue: 47 Million Americans do not have health coverage. (Probably half the people who are going to post negative things about my post are amoung them.) Now that's something to write an article about!!!!
Doh, like there could even be a serious conversation in the comments for an article like this.
Now, shouldn't we hold our president and his family up to at least the same moral standards as we do for immigrants?
MadcapMagician I think your comments about the French are a little unfair.
Are you referring to their reluctance to get involved in your unprovoked invasion of Iraq to find weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist?
Why is it that Americans always point out that they came to the rescue of France, but no one seems to remember that France once came to the aid of America:
Go to Wikipedia and search for 'France in the American Revolutionary War'
I am not French, I don't really like the French that much. But I like America and their smug attitude even less.
Your economy is not all its cracked up to be either.
Foreign currencies which were traditionally far behind the US dollar are catching up rapidly.
Look out America because China is right behind you.
They have more than 4 times the population of America and they have their eyes set on a Western lifestyle. Already many US companies are struggling to compete with China in the global market place.
Uhhh, Britain wouldn't *want* Bush or his daughters! So no big loss there...
W bushlet got busted fr coke. Its funny that AMerUCANTS have a royal family they cant criticize! Their empire is past tense.
And Im an american vet , now a teacher.. the country is full of deluded windbags.. history will see us as a sort of POrtuguese empire, fast bright and burnt out... soorry im goin to canada where ppl can think!
Hollywood is built on my BACman billions upon billions and howard hughes my birth DAD built the whole system before hoolywoodless even knew what a satelite or computernet was.Allen is`nt woody so get the F out,I only wish I could get a real country and not a war state.
Yeah.. right... USA rules the world whether u like it or not... and that phat squeling beathch from europa just won't get rich here... Camelotzii pe kamile - mincamia-ti chilotii! Now let's see how smart u are?
poor lily allen!
if i were famous i would probably assault a photographer too. they're really invasive.
No one in the US wanted to touch her privates even with 3 pair of gloves so they just sent her back to where she came from : her mother's ?
Considering the fact that Mexican criminals routinely cross the U.S./Mexico border, commit crimes in the U.S., and slink back to Mexico (or are deported there after authorities decline to prosecute them, citing lack of funds), I find it incredibly disingenuous that the Administration would hassle a young woman who assaulted a photographer ....
ESPECIALLY AFTER THE VACATIONING PRESIDENT OF FRANCE DID ALMOST THE EXACT SAME THING!
Am I wrong on this?
It seems to be a rather heavy handed approach for what is essentially a minor misdemeanour. Seriously, what famous person hasn't at least wanted to punch a photographer or two? Have you seen how pushy and obnoxious they can be? The problem stems from denying entry into a country that from an outsider's perspective, is becoming more arrogant and xenophobic by the day and the plethora of ill-informed and crude comments here do very little to dissuade that perception.
I sure am glad the neo-cons are keeping these dangerous entertainers out of our country. We sure wouldn't want people singing and dancing to the music of a woman that assaulted an overbearing media snoop.
Too bad they couldn't be as vigilant when it comes to the millions of Mexican gang bangers and drug dealers that murder thousands of US citizen every year.
Maybe if they weren't so busy terrorizing other countries they could spend a little time doing things like securing our borders, rounding up the gang bangers, fixing the infrastructure, protecting the constitution, and reducing the intrusion of government on personal liberties.
And you think the world will better when the Chinese are domninant? You need to take a look at the control they excert over the abilty of thier people to express themselfs, you would be arrested and jailed for even the mildist comments against the goverment.
Like it or not the world is better off with the US as the domninat power in the world.
As for whats her name this just free press for her.
Comment sections like this (regardless of topic) just clarify exactly how stupid and/or ignorant most people are. Thus, the reason the US is a democratic REPUBLIC, not a pure democracy (contrary to the probable wishes of many contributors to internet wisdom, who think they have both the brains and information to make informed decisions about everything). I can only hope that we all just do the best we can to be informed about the candidates we elect, and then support them as much as possible. Perhaps if we did act more like a country than like 300 million squabbling, egocentric individuals, our politicians would spend less time posturing on issues and make the right decisions occasionally. We only get away with such stupidity because we're a very strong country and nothing really bad has happened yet. If we wised up in advance, the next really bad thing might be prevented, but if not, after a few million people die (or 100 million as in WWII,)we'll pull together again. Too bad it would be too late for those already dead.
Give the immigration people a break--they have to follow the rules. It'll get sorted out.
PS-Do we know if she signed a false statement saying she'd never been arrested when she applied for the visa. It would seem that if she had indicated the arrest previously, immigration would never have issued a visa to which has now been 'revoked.' Perhaps that is the more serious issue with them. But I still imagine it will be worked out.
d'coios Is a moran. he loves america and knows nothing about it. Actually more than half the population of America know nothing about the rest of the world,they are the most ignorant people on earth, they only know the bullsh*t propaganda their government shows them on tv. They are so brainwashed that they would believe anything and i mean anything. Stuff that a 7 year old will laugh at you in any other country. let alone why they would stop lilly allan. d'coios is an ignorant retard who thinks america is the best country in the world so its pointless arguing with him. The reason they stopped lilly allan is the same reason theyve stopped so many celebrities entering the states. The ones that stand for truth, against war, and know the dirty deeds of the US government. Its just sickening, I wont say much, do your research about your governmnent, but i can only tell you one thing, your government is not short of the biggest terrorist governmnet in the world. And you are Supporting it, hence you and everybody else who supports it are terrorists. NO one likes you guys, everybody now hates americans. Its sick how stupid and ignorant you are. and the people that support them are even worse. Go do your research about your gov, for eg the bush and binladens have been working together for 50 years now. Do me a favor, watch any other news channel besides cnn and besides one in the states..
It's all cool, someday in the future, the mass murderer bush will fly somewhere, get stopped, and transported to begin his retirement in the Hague with the other war criminals. Thank goodness for the ICC.
you all should really move on from talkin about Bush's family life, i mean, it's not THAT interesting, it still doesn't change the fact that there was a problem with Lily's visa does it?
not only celebrities are denied visa passes...even foreign professionals who went back for a family holiday are. All just because they came from a Muslim nation. ( eventhough they are Christians or Taoists.) Talking about a screwed immigation system, there's no better than the paranoid, idiotic American one.
Americans rejoice!!!!
Hang on! There's something wrong with this headline... 'Pop singer Lily Allen's U.S. tour could be in jeopardy'
Because Lily Allen can't really *sing*.
Only idiots and losers come to USA thru legal means. Therefore, I urge Ms. Allen to come to US the usual way
1) go to Mexico, where even Monkey can enter w/o ID
2) Go near US/Mexico Border, hire a coyote with proven track record bringing Illegals and drug dealers to US
3) bring plenty of water, shades, clothes, etc.
4) Viola! You'll be in USA in no time.
Well, we certainly can't allow such a dangerous criminal to run amok here in the USA can we?
Can you imagine the trouble she'd cause if one of our illegal aliens snapped a picture of her for the purpose of trying to increase their tax-free income?
Just think of the drug abusers that might attend her shows? Such a den of iniquity! Oh! The horror!
Think of the additional people that would be coerced into illegal downloads of her music! In fact, just the publicity surrounding this event is enough to create dozens of new criminals this week alone wanting to see what her music sounds like!
The hypocrisy here in the US never ceases to amaze me.
I can just hear Bush now! 'We have protected our citizens against another dangerous criminal element from outside our borders!!!'.
'Land of the Free'? Propaganda my friends! Our government has run roughshod over any civil liberties you may think you have left. In fact, we have more laws/rules/regulations governing our lives than any other nation on earth.
Yea, right...
Look, everyone chill out, USA is great, Britian is Great (and Ireland is the greatest!!) so its all good.Lily Allen has a criminal record- her last albumShe wasnt banned cos of assault, she was banned cos her music is sh*t
You all miss the point. Everyone knows that government agencies are sporadic, and hit and miss. She had an arrest, it probably wasn't noted on her application for her work visa. Whoever omitted this fact in the management office oughta' be flogged. If it was, then it's still part of the mystery that is the immigration department. Everyone just needs to roll with it. The other big picture is this mentality that all artists and celebrities should be allowed to do whatever, as they are 'better' than the rest of us. (Having spent years in the music industry, I can tell you that the vast majority of them are not.)
(I can't wrap my head around this, the leftie-liberal-nanny-state promoters claim that we are all supposed to be equal and the rich are bad and evil, but THEY are the ones that put these over-rich, spoiled brats up on pedestals and argue special treatment for them.)
The world at large has allowed their rights and privacies to gradually be stripped away for the sake of 'security', and no one should be exempt. At 50, I am a military vet, music industry vet, a high end horse breeder and import/exporter, with a half-century of paying taxes and toeing the line with a big track record in some computer somewhere. I still have had to jump through hoops to keep the ability to travel as the rules change in this time of unrest. Why should a twenty-something kid have special privileges? No one has ever been able to explain that to me.
She makes millions of dollars and all those who were her friends while she was on the dole in a flop-pad are suddenly 'the little people' are left on the other side of the velvet rope to keep from pushing in on 'her' space. When she gives it all away and still lives in a flop-pad eating ramen noodles 5 days a week, then maybe you can revere her as something special. Until then, she is just another industrialized/big business commodity that is a packaged marketing plan on two feet, and I know what I'm talking about folks. Whether that was her intent or not, she is owned by her label and now by MTV, who, by the way, should have done a better job of setting up travel for her for the amount of money they are all making along with her. Don't think for one second that this is a set back. In their calculations, this is was unexpected, but huge publicity for them.
Stop the idiocy of thinking these folks deserve special treatment, there are literally millions of artists as good or better then what we see or hear of, but these few were lucky enough or unscrupulous enough to get their contracts! Enjoy them, but don't make gods of them. It's entertainment, not religion, and those that make legends out of these folks too early in their careers need to look beyond the entertainment sections of the news and get some grounding for themselves.
Now get out there and make a positive difference for yourself and someone else today!
People should be asking why U.S. officials seem to have automatic unsupervised access to British police files which seems to include arrest histories. The recent track record of abuses by U.S. government officials seems to warrant that such access be revoked.
Thanks to my parents, my genetic makeup has never made me even think to visit the U.S.A. This dispite having been traveling for most of my life,and currently living 6000 miles from 'home'.The politics stink (need hundreds of millions of $'s just to 'run' for president) Most U.S. people I meet are as thick as two planks,although pleasant enough. Why,just why do you think you have the right to inflict 'democracy' on anyone? (Oxymoron anyone?) Just mind you're own soddin affairs,and let the rest of us mind ours! Please stop bleating about '9/11',we in England lost ten times as many people during the blitz!(they were just as innocent),although of course they were not in your precious country!Most people I meet on my travels feel much as I do,the sooner China cashes in it's one trillion dollars the better.See what happens to your dollar then. When I asked one of your countrymen why you treat Mexicans and Cubans so badly he replied 'It's because everyone wants to live in the states',all I can say is, dream on,I wouldn't even visit your country,let alone live there.BTW the singer who started this thread might get lucky and be told to go home!
America won't even allow its own citizens to leave or enter the USA without a passport under the reign of the fascist dictator George W. Bush. Do you really think Visa standards are going to be ignored?
Who cares?
So lets see, Pete Townshend a convicted sex offender is allowed into the US because he is in the Who? and Lily Allen is refused because she was arrested for a minor offence.. Perhaps it is her music which is the problem if thats what you call it yawn.... On a more serious note the US does not recognise the rehabilitation of offenders act so anyone who has ever been arrested for any offence now has to prove themselves worthy to enter. What riles me is that the crime rate in the US is 10 times worse than in Europe and yet somehow the fact people can travel freely here without Visa's does not figure in their estimations whatsoever. Anyway, if you dont like it you could go visit a civilised nation instead... And BTW MadcapMagician, it is not legal to possess indecent material in any European Country. It is however legal in some US states to posess images which would be classed as indecent in Europe however..
The Bush girls are citizens of the US. Weeping Jesus on the cross, if your a citizen and you break the law you can stay. What do you want us to deport everyone with a criminal record, he not a bad idea that way I wouldn't have to live around a bunch of law breakers.
Yeah they better send her ass back. Just like they banned Snoop. Pay back time baby!!!
George Bush is goofy. Oh yeah, right now I am choking my chicken.
hey if i fart in the forest can any of you morons hear it?
let me know..go listen
The firearm murder rate might be 10 times higher in the US than it is in most of western Europe, not the crime rate. The total murder rate is about 3.5 times higher, the violent crime rate is approximately the same, and the overall crime rate is less than half of that of Europe.
For statistics:
Murder:
US - 5.5 / 100,000
EU - 1.6 / 100,000
Total crime
US - 3900 / 100,000
EU - 8000 / 100,000
These aren't the best numbers to use, since they come from 2 different studies. However, they are from the same year (2004), and do show the real trends. Please stop taking pot shots at the United States just because everyone else in the world will believe any B.S. that will justify vilifying Americans at every opportunity. Americans are not, on the whole, any more ignorant than any other group of people. Unfortunately, due to the dominance of American pop culture in the world market, our idiotic views get much more exposure than those of anyone else. That, in turn, reinforces the negative stereotype of the ignorant, arrogant, redneck American.
Why are there so many people making comments about the criminal pasts of American citizens? What does that have to do with the criminal past (minor assault) of a foreigner wanting to work in America? Please tell me how it's relevant to this subject. We have enough yahoos punching out the vulture newscasters already, we don't really need another one running around do we?
So assaulting someone is the same as partying? You cannot travel if you smoke the ganja? What is the deal?
Sorry to bore everyone with some facts but:
'She's being detained because of a conviction.'
no shes not, shes being detained for a past arrest. Anyone arrested, regardless of whether they were innocent or if the charges were dropped cannot enter the US without detailing the arrest and admitting it.
'Like felonies commited here in the States there are travel restrictions.'
Again, no. Shes not being detained based on the conviction itself, only the prior arrest.
Carry on.
...we have this thing called law. I'm also not aware of any cocaine charges against the Bush family, although Al Gore's kid IS a criminal!
Learn how to spell dude before you take shots at others.
First of all Illegal means one thing your a criminal, Second of all If Illegal Immigrants paid their fair share NO ONE WOULD CARE. And Third of all your a first class DUMBASS, DUMBASS, DUMBASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Couple of comments:
1. She had a work visa. It was revoked. If she already had a visa, she must have filled out an application, and if so, she must have stated she had no criminal convictions on her application (if she had listed the minor conviction, she might still have been granted the visa, and there would then be no reason it would have been revoked later). Immigration must have found out later. Her visa was probably revoked because she falsified (inadvertantly or intentionally) her application. If one of her minions filled it out for her, and it was inadvertant, she'll probably get reinstated. However, if it's more fun to rail against the US government, who cares about the real facts?
2. Re: the government-bashing, Bush-bashing, America-bashing, and pathetic morons who criticize everyone who doesn't feel as sorry for themselves as they do and thus hate anyone who takes any responsibility:
People who travel a lot are generally more educated than those that don't, so I'm not surprised that people traveling to the US find most people they meet beneath their exalted state of awareness. I was raised in the US and most people I meet in the US are just average people, poorly educated (relative to the typical world traveler), except in pop culture trivia, conspiracy theories, and other popular garbage.
The AVERAGE person I typically encounter in Europe, New Zealand, etc, is equally ignorant, just as opinionated, and has even slightly more distorted ideas about world politics than the average American (probably because, as bad as the US media is, the European media is worse, being even more slanted to relativism and intellectualism at the expense of common sense and long-term considerations). In my experience European travelers are a bit too arrogant in their opinions on average, perhaps because of a concious superiority complex which exists to offset their unconscious inferiority complex over God knows what. Most people I've met in much of the rest of the world might as well have been educated on a different planet, as they more often than not have grown up in a place where the news is nonexistant or, as in Iran, Belarus, etc., intentionally fabricated with the wildest lies. On the other hand, because of their soft upbringing, Americans (and almost as many Europeans) admittedly have no common sense about the realities of the world, and are very vulnerable to aiding history in repeating itself once again now that most who endured WWII are old or dead). For your enlightenment: the human species has all those wonderful qualities that most of you imagine in your mind would shape our civilization if only Bush, corporations, and the military would go away; unfortunately, the human species is also still capable of every depravity experienced in history, and the common man is just as untrustworthy, selfish, cowardly, subjective, violent, and capable of evil as those they criticize. This will never change, and there will always be wars--you just have to decide if you want your culture to be the one that loses, or the other one.
There is no handbook for how culture is supposed to be anyway, so quit squabbling over minutiae and just look at the big picture. Europe (and America), make a choice: work together to preserve western culture, or eventually be destroyed or subjugated by Islamic fundamentalist culture, which is what will happen if you continue to bury your heads in the sand (The idea would be a joke, given the impotence of the middle-eastern culture except for the enormous oil revenues which can pay the bill for devastating weapons that don't require a physical invasion). It's easy to take the moral high ground, as Chamberlain did (and the rest of Europe, who could have easily stopped Hitler early on). It's those who don't have the character to make a choice and make a stand that wind up dying like flies when all hell breaks loose. Just for ONCE, Europe, think ten years ahead and do something to preserve your own security and culture.
Taking a stand and stopping those who would subjugate you always requires doing things which, viewed from the philosophy of relativism, are bad--war, embargoes, intelligence-gathering, imprisonment of combatants, etc. Taking the moral high ground, one can believe himself to be a superior type, right up to the point where the enemy chops his head off. If you truly believe your culture is at least somewhat better than that of the enemy's, stopping them is the truly moral thing to do. If trying to think ten years or more into the future makes your head hurt, and you can't lead or help, then just shut up and stay the hell out of the way.
Dearest HEY THERE COLIN.
If there was an intelligent arse I'm sure we would have heard about it! Your droneing rant just shows that I'm at least partly right, ('thick as two planks'),when you use 'your' when you mean 'you are' try spelling it 'you're'
Uh, Colin, the proper spelling is 'droning'
bob4,
you're quite correct,sorry,slip of the mind!
Wow......
anyway..... Every other free country has explicit and strict immigration laws;however, the US gets slammed when we enforce ours.
bummer
more boring facts!
'and if so, she must have stated she had no criminal convictions on her application'
No, you state prior arrests aswell.
'Have you ever been arrested or convicted for any offense or crime, even though subject of a pardon, amnesty or other similar legal action?'
Basically shes didnt outline the arrest. This has nothing to do with convictions or being a criminal, per say.
Once youre arrested, again, even if the charges are dropped, false, improper, dismissed and you are innocent (not saying that this is the case here), you must declare it.
europeans & yanks--y'all both need to chill.
there are at least two parts to a country, the govt and the populace. the govt is SUPPOSED to represent the populace, but often doesn't 100%: 1. many citizens of the usa disagree with bush's policies 2. although the french govt collaborated w/the 3rd reich there was also a local resistance force.
europeans: go to the usa--it's not such a bad place to visit.
americans: see above, substitute *europe* for *usa.*
to both: countries are getting much pickier about who they let in--if they have a reason not to admit someone (even if we think it's silly) often they won't.
who are these morons who write stupid republican things like they get paid to?
Way 2 go madcap magician! Hey and Yossarian, it would be cool if you could actually spell republican right but ya know, if its too hard we understand...
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