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By Stone Martindale Jan 25, 2007, 17:56 GMT
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I have not seen the movie or read the book. Nor do I intend to. I can understand that writing about the experience may be cathartic...healing...for a person who has undergone such an experience. But, I question the wisdom of placing such images into public consciousness. I think such images, presented as entertainment, are harmful to society. I don't confine this opinion to just rape. I find that there are certain images that I just don't want to place into my consciousness anymore. Sadism, rape, violence, torture, I know these things exist and I am horrified by them. And while the vast majority of people will view such imagery as entertaining or thrilling, I think that the trend towards showing such imagery in public venues also stimulates a few people to inappropriate desires and behaviors that are unhealthy for society at large; then someone writes, paints a picture, or makes a movie about the new attrocity and the cycle perpetuates.
I would not advocate censoship, though. All of us should have the right to express ourselves in any manner. But I do wonder if we should recognize that there seems to be a rise in many forms of violence and attrocity in societies across the globe. I wonder if we should ask ourselves if there is a corelation between the rise of such violence and the production of arts or entertainments that, in a few, further justify or stimulate such violence. I can't prove it, but I, for one, have no doubt that the increased violence in our societies is directly related to the imagery that we allow to invade our minds.
A solution? I know of none, not if we are to be a truly free society. But, perhaps we can start a dialog with the people who produce these images, and appeal to their sense of public conscience. Or, perhaps we can teach ourselves and our children to be vigilant about what we allow to invade our minds, and let the marketplace define the boundaries of exposure.
I am not wild about the premise of the movie, however, I understand it was done with a lot of shadow images, etc. I find it interesting that nobody seems upset by Hannible Lecter movies, where canniblism is rampant and right in your face.
As a rape survivor, I cannot say I would be offended by this movie. On the contrary, I would be interested to see how honestly they would deal with this.
But go ahead, let Hannibel loose again - no harm in that, is there?
Good! Excellent that Distributors are running fast & furiously far away from 'HoundDog'. A rape scene involving a 12year old child???? Yes that is what a 12year old is, A CHILD! Even if this movie was about an 18 year old being visciously attacked, it WOULD STILL BE A SHAMEFUL MOVIE BECAUSE AN 18 YEAR OLD IS STILL YOUNG, NAIVE & IMPRESSIONABLE. NO RAPE ATTACK ON ANY BOY/FEMALE OF ANY AGE IS SOMETHING HOLLYWOOD SHOULD GLORIFY! What's more alarming is Dakota Fanning is upset that critics say she is too young to be in this kind of movie portraying herself in such a sexual way. Throughout the movie she is also seen dancing & singing very provacatively in her underwear & little tank top. It's too revealing. What is wrong with Dakota's Mom, is she crazy or something? Every Pedophile in North America is going to be running to see this movie when it comes out. This is the kind of filth(fantasizing about a child in sexually enticing ways) which these Men dream about. Psychologists & Police say it all the time! Dakota is arguing in support of her role & the Movie because she & her family want that damn Oscar. Obviously she's willing to sell her soul to the Devil to get it.But there's some good news! 'HoundDog' overall is receiving very bad reviews & now because of the lack of Distributors, will have a future by going straight to videos. Dakota needs to go back to playing child-like roles. They'll be plenty of time for her to take on these grown up roles. She's a baby, she still has many years in the business!
We shouldn't advocate censorship Stan? Oh YES WE SHOULD! When it comes to a child there is no 'censorship' view allowed. The right of a parent, guardian, adults are to always alway protect the innocence & life of a child. That is a human trait we must all exhibit! No questions asked!!
In the movie 'A Time To Kill' starring Samuel L. Jackson & Mathew McConaghey, Samuel's daughter is violently raped by a couple of racist country men. The movie takes place in the turmoil South! But the director of that movie did a fantastic job by not allowing graphic scenes of the sexual assault to be shown. It was tastefully done. Also the child was never portrayed as sexually inviting attention to herself. In 'HoundDog' that is the illusion that is presented to us as viewers which conjures up imagery of a child in control, aware of her conduct & creates the consequences of her 'rape' in the Movie. I can't believe a woman is directing this movie? Hollywood wonders why movies like 'Happy Feet' & other family animated-movies are doing better at the box-office than dramas & comedies? It's because not only can you take your kids to the theatre, but also we adults can leave the theatre believing in purity & goodness ONCE AGAIN!
I find it interesting that none of the commentators here have even seen the film in question. How can you comment on a film you haven't seen? l agree that child-rape is a highly disturbing subject. Unfortunately, however, it does happen on occasion. And I can't think of anything that happens in real life that won't be eventually protrayed on film. Art imitating life, you know the old cliche. Having not seen the film I can't comment on whether the rape scene is justifiable or not. But I will say it's all too typical for people to form opinions based on hearsay and preconceived notions. And THAT I consider a crime.
I don't think people are commenting so much on the film they haven't seen as disgust that Dakota had the role she did. We are well aware it was probably not explicit, but just the idea of her parents allowing her to partake in it is not good, nor the fact that Dakota is 'mad as she can be' at the critics. People have a right to their opinion, and like it or not, she is a child regardless of what she thinks. And the remarks that it is 'educational' - gimme a break!! There are a lot of better ways to be educated about the matter than viewing a 12-year-old being raped in a movie!!
I think this has been analized to death - time to give it a decent burial and concentrate on something really important. No one knows any of the people personally who are involved in this movie - how they feel, think, etc. Let it rest!!!
The point is, we have enough sickos in North America alone much less in the rest of the world who are taking pleasure of sexually attacking children! It's become too mainstream! When I was 12, I was fortunate to be raised in a household of mostly women & my family was very protective of me. So I wasn't aware of such acts on a child to even exist! Thank God!! I had a normal & innocent childhood. But many kids don't have the same luxury these days! Why so many people are disturbed by this movie is because you have a very young actress playing a rape victim & the character Dakota Fanning plays is too sexually inviting as well. Dakota is a child! We don't need Hollywood sending signals to Pedophiles that if a child is sexually suggestive then she must understand what she's doing! That's the issue! This movie is taking it one step to closer to making it mainstream....people just don't care to stop stuff like this anymore because it's everywhere. That's the sad reality! I hope this movie absolutely, 100% stays out of theatres!
Clips of the movie, premiered at Sundance have been leaked on the Internet!
I think that you can't critize something is you haven't seen it. Yes, child rape is wrong but if the Holocost and cannibalism can be depicted in movies, why not child rape? No one had a problem with Brooke Shields when she did a nude scene when she was 12(or somehwere around that age). The thing is, from what I have read, there isn't any nudity of Dakota and the movie doesn't really revolve around the rape, just healing from it. I have not been raped so I don't know how rape victims feel. Just watch the movie first and then comment.
Okay, it's about time that people quit saying stuff like, 'No one had a problem with Brooke Shields when she did a nude scene when she was 12(or somehwere around that age).' Who says nobody had a problem with it?? Personally, I'm very happy to see that SOMEBODY has a moral compass, so far. I have a feeling that they will get distribution somewhere, but this is refreshing that it hasn't gotten picked up yet. To use the argument that people didn't get upset when such and such movie was made is ridiculous because plenty of people did.
I completely agree with the first poster on here. Very well said!!
Barbara are you a man writing & hiding behind a woman's name?????????????????????
Excuse me, why not show child rape in a movie???????????????????????????????????
Huh???????????Are in you insane? A child, is a child, is a child! This is not something that is supposed to be done at anytime! It is absolutely wrong.
I know this World is sick & perverse & didn't think it could get much worse but IT JUST DID! First of all Brooke Shields & her Mother received a huge backlash in her movies 'Pretty Baby', 'Blue Lagoon'& 'Endless Love'. Brooke's Movie career never recovered from it & she went on to University & became a TV star instead. So get your facts correct! It was degrading then for a child & it is now! Dakota needs to go back to doing Disney Movies. She was acting a little too grown up in her last movies, WAR OF THE WORLDS & MAN UNDERFIRE! WE guess we should've seen it coming. Dakota enjoy your childhood, because once it's gone, it's gone forever!
Enjoy being a playful & innocent child, it's the best part of life.
I don't think we all had access to a computer with programs like this where you can comment when Brooke Shields was 12, so, no, how do we know how many people complained. And, besides, the reports from those who have seen Dakota's movie describe the sexual way she acts as one disturbing element, not just the rape scene that is implied. The ridiculous statements made by this 'child' that her parents don't want to shield her from these things and that she needs to experience what is happening - why does it have to be by acting in such a movie.....can't they explain things to her any other way........how 'immature' are those statements????
Maybe the public has gotten the idea of what is entertainment all wrong.
A lot of people don't care to sit through some of this garbage out there that doesn't leave you with a good feeling - only upset or depressed or sickened at best. I'm not on a moral soapbox, everyone has their opinion, but it seems like most films are just going for the shock value and nothing else. Anyway, apparently those whose job it is to purchase movies, feel like staying away from this one big time. Little Miss Fanning needs to slow down a little, before she finds herself just another Lindsey or Britney.
Exactly it is not just the Rape Scene that has critics, distributors and reviewers on fire. It is in the entire movie throughout where Dakota acts very sexually suggestive that is making everybody squirmish & uncomfortable! wearing skimpy clothes etc. The movie clips are on the Internet to see, so there is already a HUGE ISSUE here. By the way to the poster who said there wasn't Internet back when Brook Shields did her movies in the 70's & 80's, so we don't know how bad the backlash was? You must be really really young? First of all before we all became captured & addicted to our computers, there were two Media info. outlets called TV & Newspapers! You may have heard of them? We still have them as a another source for getting information. Brooke was on the TV News, in the Newspapers & Magazines when Pretty Baby hit. IT WAS A BIG NASTY CONTROVERSERY. But it is great to know that Brooke grew up survived it, to become an intelligent person & an actress.
To Chantal - I agreed wholeheartedly with your comments until you got to the part about criticising the commentor who remarked there weren't computers back when. I think they meant there weren't computers with these kinds of programs designed to be able to more accessively make comments about various things.
We all know there were TV's and newspapers with information, but we don't generally get to reply quite like this. Too bad you had to end your good comments with a nasty retort!!!!!!!!
I totally agree with 'Nasty' regarding Chantal's remarks........why would she need to spoil her good comments with a closing retort like that. The commentor was just making an honest accessment of the past as they knew it!!! Sure too bad for the scarcasm!!!!!!!
It seems like Chantal's name has come up before.......maybe she needs to get a life outside this website and go watch TV and read the newspapers that she so quickly pointed out were available during Brooke's bad movie days!!!!
Who cares about the computer stuff. The point is about Dakota Fanning. I completely agree with Chantal's point as absolutely correct & right on the money!
To this 'Too Often' poster- The name Chantal is a very common name. It could be different posters, genius. Maybe you're on here TOO OFTEN watching & criticizing? Maybe you should take your own advice & go read a newspaper & stop cracking on others! The issue here shouldn't be to entice a Blog fight. It's about a young actress who is doing a very questionable scene in a dark disturbing movie.
Stick to the discussion!
I can't stand people like this Too Often blogger. You're on here telling people to get a life because they may be on here too much. But you don't have too much of a life - hiding behind 'too often' alias afraid to use your name & criticizing others. Are you getting paid? You are obviously ON HERE quite a bit yourself because otherwise you wouldn't recognize names?? That already tells the rest of us YOU, who ever you are, is not in any kind of position to be dictating orders when you clearly don't follow them yourself! What's more alarming is you seem more concerned to write about a Blogger rather than a child actress who filmed a rape scene? That's a RED FLAG RIGHT THERE!!!
So J.J. is a name - ha!! I can't believe all of you and your crazy remarks - none of you are sticking to the whole point of this, and that's Dakota Fanning's bad choice. You all need to get a life!!!!! This should be a place to have a reasonable discussion, but it sure isn't, and that goes for most of you!!!!
LOL. Like Bonnie B is REAL NAME. Good try, but that's a joke. During your busy life today, you took time to come on this page & do what exactly? Read comments & reply to others. WOW, your time management is so impeccable! We think it's correct to assume that you may not understand the meaning of 'get a life' when you've detoured from YOUR QUALITY TIME. 'Get A Life', means concentrate on your own business & not focus so much on what others are doing. Interesting, you didn't say a word about Dakota Fanning & her movie. Wasn't that the purpose or were you bored from not doing anything in your real life?
Whatever to the rest of you. My concern is only the topic. Everything that needs to be said on Dakota & 'HoundDog' has been said on here. But I think it's safe to say most of us agree that we are disturbed by Dakota acting too sexually in this movie. Nothing is more stressful to parents than to see a child depicted in a very adult type role. Yes her 'rape scene' is not too graphic but the thought behind it doesn't leave much to the imagination. Critics who are for this movie, calling it freedom of choice have to understand many don't like the idea of any movie being made where a child's innocence is violently taken away from her. It's a sick feeling in your stomach. My guess is even if this movie makes it to Theatre, it won't draw too many movie goers. It already sounds draining.
A friend told me to log onto this site to see some interesting discussions, but I have not seen much other than some 'low-class' ramblings. Do any of you even know who Dakota Fanning is???? This is enough for me, maybe the next topic will have some intelligent comments.
Well it's nice to see that not since Brangelina has a discussion generated so much buzz! I don't think most of these comments are ramblings. There seem to be people on here who are passionate about this. Whenever I hear or read that 'someone doesn't care that a child rape scene is in a movie' I get very sad. It really just goes to show how far we've fallen & continue to fall in life. I'm a girl. So I think We Women tend to be more sensitive to abuse of all kinds! Maybe that's why this 'Jim S.' person thinks these discussions are pointless - if you're not so much against this type of abuse depicted in a movie, what are you condoning?
Dakota Fanning is a child. She is a 12 year old Actress. Nothing else to know!!
Sorry you misunderstood what I was saying. Yes, there are some very good comments here, but the last few were getting personal and very critical of others' comments to the point that I wondered if they even knew who Miss Fanning was when they were criticizing people's names and that some would read the other comments, which I think is only understandable before you add your comments. I am, indeed, totally against having this child in the movie according to all the reports of what she does in it besides the rape scene. I don't call this sort of thing exactly entertaining, and if the public won't buy into these things, they can't be made. I completely agree with you and several others who had made very good points, before some Chantilly ruined hers. I can't believe Dakota's parents would want to have their child in this movie, and it seemed too bad when Dakota was quoted as raving mad at the critics of the movie, like no one had a right to criticize something she had done. It makes you think that she is on her way to being just another spoiled child entertainer who is so full of herself. But regardless of what child would be in this movie, it doesn't seem so good.
I have read so many posts stating that it is unmoral to have a rape scene in a movie especially involving a 12-year-old girl. The point is people this happens in real life every day to over 3000millon people both young and old. The truth of the mater is yes it may draw in an unsavory crowed but it will also bring to attention the severity of the issue. Well I believe every one has a right to there own opinions and no one person is the only right one. Well I hope you can take a moment and think about it a little more open minded.
You are so right - it's unbelievable that some of these people are actually criticizing people's names, etc., when the real issue is this disgusting role of sexual actions and rape by a young girl. It's sad all the way around that the child and her parents would allow her to do such a role - but money talks.
She said it was educational, but on the other hand she states that as soon as she does a movie she forgets it???? Rape is a very disturbing situation and than goodness it is getting more attention than it did years ago when no one would talk about it. But a movie like this isn't exactly 'educational' in my estimation........so many better ways to be 'informed'.
Rape is a terrible thing and public awareness is crucial, but should it be used for entertainment??? And that a child is shown in this film acting in such a sexual way as has been stated by those who have seen it! It doesn't sound like it has been picked up yet, so maybe the 'powers that be' have some sense!
This movie should be in theatres because it looks like a pretty good movie. Why don't they just cut the stupid scene out so everyone will shut up i mean it is not that big of a deal anyway.
I SAY HOUNDDOG SHOULD BE IN THEATRES!!!!!!!!!
'it is not big of a deal' A child rape scene is not a big deal? First of all a CHILD RAPE SCENE IS NOT A BIG DEAL, IT'S A GIGANTIC DEAL! Dakota Fanning is a child actress!
Thank god, this movie is also getting bad reviews from Critics who saw it at Sundance! So hopefully it won't make it to Theatres anytime soon. This 'HoundDog' poster must be a Pedophile or paid to start Blog WARS! Either way, you're a gross individual!
I really think that this movie is an alright idea. Americans would be suprised at how many children much younger than Dakota are raped here in America now. This movie is causing an outrage, are teh american people just afraid to face what this nation has become about? Grow up...its a movie for christ sakes, noone was forced to do anything.
I agree with you, Katie. Unfortunately, most people would disagree with us. They usually think, oh she's too young to be filmed like this, oh she's this, she's that. And, to people who are mean and nasty, I say this: Dakota knew what she was doing. Otherwise, she wouldn't have agreed to film this movie. As Katie said, no one was forced to do anything. Dakota was not forced to do anything. And, to those who bash her mother, think about this: what if people said these unkind things about your mothers? You wouldn't like that, would you? So, why then, do you blame Dakota for getting mad at the critics? Sigh...that is all I can say without exploding with rage at this point.
Let's all REALLY BE HOPEFUL this movie goes away! Let's hope it never gets shown in Theatres. The sad part is, it will be on Video forever.Dakota only filmed a Movie.....a control set & was not really attacked! But one day she will be older & will be reminded of this Movie for the rest of her life. Dakota is a 12 yr old young child. She doesn't understand the implications this may OR may not have on her future. Brooke Shields talked about having emotional problems after making her childhood movies that were too adult,'Pretty Baby' & 'Blue Lagoon'. The realization of this whole debate is there are too many people who want to see this child simulate being raped on the Big Screen. There are alot men who are dying to see it. It makes me & many others sick to our stomach & want to Vomit!
Sigh...each to their own. There's obviously nothing I can say that I haven't already said before. Yeah, I'm the same 'Annonymous in NJ' person who wrote the comment above. I can't say anything obscene or my post will be deleted. I still can't say one way or the other about 'Hounddog' since I have not seen it yet. But, some comments that talk negatively about the film and/or Dakota herself are quite disturbing, to say the least. That is all I have to say.
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