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By Stone Martindale Jan 24, 2007, 21:23 GMT
Dakota Fanning 'mad as she can be' at 'Hounddog' critics
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So, Christina Z., you think a going-on-13-year-old is capable of making her own decisions???? I doubt very much if you have children. I guess we should just raise our kids to 12 and turn them loose to do as they wish - whatever and whenever. The whole point isn't that no one is aware of what the real world is like - just that this movie was made to make money not to educate people. If we need to wait around 'till some producer decides to make such a movie before we educate our kids about life, then we have more of a problem than can be addressed here. But then, I guess 12 year olds already are 'mature' and wouldn't need guidance anyway!!!!!
Yes, I agree that Dakota acts a little too 'adult' - not so appealing. This is just a movie at any rate - whether it is fiction or fact, whether this child is old enough to make her own decisions - who should care - either spend your money and see it or not - take it at face value. It was made to make money, clear and simple - not for educational purposes. With all the news reports and tv coverage of the tremendous amount of sex offenders, I doubt if there is anyone who isn't well aware of it, and we don't need to wait around for a movie to educate the public. If that is the case, these people need more help than can be given here!!
Projection is what's likely going on here in at least some of the cases of complainers (likely nearly all). My wife is a retired psychotherapist. (She takes care of gardens now instead.) She points out that when someone protests really loudly and dramatically against something, it often means that they're projecting against their own characteristics and tendencies. Examples would include closet homosexuals who condemn homosexuality in the name of their religion, abusers and enablers of abuse who rail against abuse in the movies, warriors who condemn the violent actions of others, drug users who condemn drug use, etc. The unstated plea is to demand of others to protect themselves from themselves.
If you look closely at the child actors that have experienced the greatest challenges in their teens and young adult lives, you invariably find a public that are unwilling to see the actor in any other setting than what they are familiar with. The transition from innocence into reality is hard enough
for a child, let alone having it forever dominate thier adult lives.
This may not be the film or role that does it, but I'm betting that Dakota
choses a project in the near future that allows the world to see her as
a young woman rather than a little girl.
I think it is a good thing that annonymous's wife is now gardening instead of working as a psychotherapist........sad that someone would lump 'most' people together with one diagnosis. The bottom line here is that a lot of people feel Dakota was a little young to make her own decisions, and she was much younger when she made this film. No one is stating that rape doesn't happen in real life at all ages. This has gotten analized to pieces......way over the top. If we want our children to be 'little adults' we shouldn't be complaining about their disregard for any authority. People are just expressing their opinions - don't read into it more than it is. I don't remember a psychiatrist's couch being involved here!!!!
So Dakota says a movie like this is educational - that kids need to be aware of what is going on in the world. I think parents are better at 'educating' their children than seeing a movie that is being made for money by a 'child' who should not have been doing a rape scene!!!!!!! She is just a little too 'mature' and I agree with other comments - she acts too self righteous and a little like a 'know it all' and as stated before - not so appealing. She isn't exactly an authority on life regardless of how she thinks she is. First and foremost..........she is a child!!!
...who said the posters that disagree with the DF rape-scene didn't protest or complain when 'bastard' came out? i'm guessing that the people who read these boards and engage in 'debate' on them, are not shy with their opinions. my strong opinions regarding the exploitation of children do not begin and end with DF. I am still not speaking to a relative who gave her 4 and 7 year old daughters the 'bratz' collection this holiday season. all though i've never told her this, i question her ability to raise her children along with her 'sanity' in general. this is a message board and the topic is DF's rape-scene, so what's with all the finger-wagging and condescending bs in the posts directed at those who had a problem with it? personally, i don't think i'm the one who's in denial, or the one who needs a 'couch.' this isn't about a '12' year old making a poor decision today, it's about a little girl who hasn't spent 5 minutes out of the spotlight since the age of 4 making same-said decision. but, you keep telling yourself that she's a little sophisticate (that's called 'acting' too!). re-read the board, the majority of the posts that are judgemental and resort to 'name-calling' are all pro rape-scene -- with the exception of one obviously trolling (teenager???) mascarading as the religious-right, the posts arguing against the 'wisdom' behind the act have all been pretty docile...
Does Dakota know anything other than to 'act'? Maybe all her interviews, etc., are just her 'acting' a part - kind of sad. She isn't happy about the critics. Well, just because she does a movie doesn't mean everyone is going to like it - I thought she was supposed to be grown up?? She is used to playing 'little girl' roles and people thought she was cute. Now if she wants to get into the 'adult' world, she better get used to critics. 'Grown-up' isn't always cute!!!!
Everyone who is critical of the controversial scene in this film who has not actually viewed same will feel utterly foolish when the movie is released. I saw the film yesterday at Sundance, and the scene in question is filmed in such a way that it is not at all exploitative of the character or the actress. We see Miss Fanning only from the shoulders up; the camera cuts to the actor unzipping his fly with no one else in the frame, and the majority of the scene is a close up of Miss Fanning's face, shocked, tear-streaked and in wordless pain. From the way in which the scene is edited, Miss Fanning could very well have been completely alone and fully dressed while filming the scene, with sounds being dubbed in aftertwards in postproduction.
I think the director says it best: 'When you're shooting a film, it's the images you line up next to each other that create a story,' Kampmeier said. 'If you have a hand hitting the ground, Dakota screaming 'stop' and you see a zipper unzip -- that creates a rape.'
Get it? Three shots that, by themselves, wouldn't necessarily indicate a rape; yet, edit them in sequence, and it's the *audience* that infers the story behind what they've just been shown.
It's called filmmaking, folks. Child rape is horrible. But you have to separate the hotbed issue from the mechanics of how it is portrayed. You don't want to watch a sequence of shots that implies the rape of a child? Fine. But to rail against the artists for wanting to portray a serious issue and bring it to light, inferring, without actually knowing, that a child was abused during the filming of the movie? I can understand how such a belief would upset people, but I think it says more about the person jumping to conclusions and imposing knee-jerk moral platitudes.
Opinions on the topic of child abuse are irrelevant to the artists' process of making the film - unless of course you know exactly how it was shot, and/or have witnessed something untoward happening on set. To assume that the shooting of the scene involved anything even *close* to an actual rape is ignorant at best. Come on, people, *think*.
You are all missing the point!
Following the path of the Lord requires a great deal of retrain. While the lot of you bask in the pleasures of the flesh, those of us who have chosen the difficult path of purity are left watching from the sidelines. But we're only humans - how can you expect us to restrain our desires when films such as the one in question, rub in our faces the pleasures we're forgoing? How can I be held responsible, as a Pastor, for my actions when it is films like this that could drive me to act on my impulses? It is for these reasons that we must eradicate the proliferation of such material.
Thank you.
Yay Sarah! You said it - education of young children about such issues is paramount in protecting them in the long run. I too was assaulted at age 8 and the silence was deafening. Dakota Fanning has already proven that she is mature beyond her years as well as being a very talented actor. Such criticism aimed at her, her parents and the director etc., particularly from religious groups, is misplaced and potentially harmful - although I must say that well, any publicity might be considered 'good' publicity, if it gets people talking and responding to the issue.
Falling from Grace... since when is rape considered a 'pleasure of the flesh'? You moron...
From what I've read from the critics, the movie stinks regardless of the rape scene. None of the studios want it because it's just poorly done in general. I also read an article by a critic who said that the rape scene served no purpose in the film - it didn't advance the plot in any way nor what is necessary to the story. The victim never told anyone, it was never mentioned again in the film, and it was obviously there just for gratuitous shock value. If it had not been in the film at all, nobody would have missed it. That's not art - it's a hook to cater to an audiences prurient interests.
We don't have to be a film maker to know what the scene portrays. Everyone is missing the point........that people are voicing their opinion that this 'child/woman' shouldn't be the one to make the decision on doing the film. She might be 'mature beyond her years', and that is another point.......when do these kids ever get to be just kids. I'm sure she probably feels much above her peers at this point, but the whole thing is just sad. I agree with the comments that we don't need a film to learn about life. Hopefully there are responsible adults and parents out there who can do the job of teaching. As far as Dakota being so mad at all the criticism...she is now in the adult world that she apparently wants to be in and better get used to dealing with criticism and the publicity that comes with the millions she will no doubt some day receive. If she can't handle it - get out!!!!!!!!
You are right on, Janet. I couldn't have said it better!!
No one is implying there was an actual rape going on for the filming - you need to read more carefully. However it was done, most people don't think it was especially necessary or that a 12 year old was mature enough to make the decision of doing the film. And don't say that it serves a good purpose - what a cop out!! Read what Janet said.........she has a good comment - EOS!!!
So little Miss Fanning is 'mad as can be' at the critics of this film. Does she think that just because she has done a film, everyone should agree. She better quit her little fits and act like the so-called 'Mature' person she is protrayed to be. Accepting that the world doesn't just think everything she does is just wonderful is part of the maturing process, or hasn't that been explained to her since she is supposed to be so mature beyond her years??? Unfortunately, she will probably be headed toward the same place that a few other young entertainers have ended up. The world doesn't revolve around her and the sooner she understands that, the better off she will be. Granted, the public is guilty for putting these so-called entertainers on pedestals, but they better be prepared for the 'fall', for it will come. Case in point - her movie is being critisized - something she isn't used to and doesn't like!!!
I have to agree with Dakota. Why coverup something that happens everyday. Children and women are raped daily. As a matter of fact I gurantee you a woman and child are being raped right now. Of course its brutal its rape. Why does it seem like people want to cover this up as if it doesn't happen. Is it because its a woman's issue and men especially often believe rape isn't any vicious. Rape is a shameful act to commit but I don't believe its something should try to cover up. Plus this was just a movie that a lot of people are passing judgement on and haven't even seen.
For the love of heaven........no one is trying to cover up the fact that rape happens.......this had gotten blown way out of sight. It all boils down to whether people think Dakota, at the young age of 12,, is mature enough to make a decision like doing this so-called movie, and that she is mad at the critics.
She needs to get used to the 'mature' world and realize not everything she does will be met with approval. No one is denying rape happens all the time from babies - yes it does - to old women. And if you log onto the views of analysists, it has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with control???
Anyway, if she isn't able to handle the criticism, maybe she isn't as 'mature' as some have stated. Actually........who really cares???? There are scores of military getting killed all the time in this crazy war.....let's focus on something important besides the likes of this so-called entertainer/child!!!!
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