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By Stone Martindale Jan 24, 2007, 21:23 GMT
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'Anonomous' please accept my apologies - my intent was never to murk the waters. You're right, 'scene' and 'seen' do sound the same. I guess as long as you're not writing them, it really doesn't matter which one you use, so feel free to disregard whichever spelling causes you the most trouble.
About the rapture, I can only say I'm glad God is not quite as expeditious when answering prayers, specially yours. Why, I'd probably be frying as I type this.
Good luck and take care.
'ThereIsNoGod' don't you worry bout me. I ain't the one to juge you, but the Lord above. You just keep on mockin him because he'll dispence what's comin to you.
My point had nothing to do with speling. I was talking bout the rape seen... is it not wrong? Maybe to you is not, but to any God fearing Christian it's a diferent story.
But now that you got me on the speling subject, do you kno what word is not even in the dictionary no more? RESPEK! Look it up! It ain't where it use to be. If that's no sign enough for you that the time is near, I don't know what is.
I really do hope you find your way back to the Lord. The road is difficult but the reward is great.
Much Love
My dear 'Anonomous',
You are right, the word RESPEK is not in the dictionary, though I have to confess, I never did look it up. I don't know whether at some point it might have been there, or rather, I do know. It was never there. 'Anonomous,' please believe when I say this: I wish I had the authority to add your word to the dictionary, and list your name as the contributor. I believe in what your word, RESPEK, represents, and though you might doubt it, I do live by it every day.
I can assure you the rape scene resembled nothing even similar to an actual rape, so there's nothing to be concerned about. You'd be surprised what a team of make up artist, along with video and audio editors can do with a few clicks of the mouse. Otherwise, imagine what horrors must have Mr. Caviezel (he played the role of Jesus) most have gone through during the filming of 'The Passion of The Christ,' a film I'm willing to bet my soul you've seen (there's that word again! 'seen').
As for finding my way back to the Lord, as much as I would enjoy your company, I'm afraid that's a road you'll have to travel alone.
Please do take care.
Dear 'ThereIsNoGod'
You're right, I did watch 'The Passion of The Christ' and one of the reasons I cried is becaus not only it reminded me of the suferin Jesus went tru for me, but also the suferin Mr. Caviezel (who oviosly has a seat reserved next to the Lord in heaven) went tru to portrait Jesus.
I don't care what anyone seys, the camara can only captur so much. If a rape seen is what you want, you need to play a rape seen for the camara. I wouldn't be surprise to find out their was actual penetrasion. Of course, they'll keep it hush hush because as perverce as society is, we're not at that stage yet.
I'm glad you recognise the degeneration of society by removing the word RESPEK from the dictionary. But that's only the first step. Their is more to come. I am sad to read you are not even considering following on the footsteps of the Lord. Even after seing the sings your own self.
If you choose not to follow him is your choise. I kno what road I'm following. And even if I'm sad to read you're not with us, I will bask when sitting next to the Lord, watchin you burn in the deepest pits of HELL. I hope you enjoy hot whether.
With all the love and RESPEK,
Anonomous
Intriguing, I’m not a Christian, but I do agree with what Confusion stated…I haven’t seen it so I can’t really comment on the movie itself. But a few things pop into mind…
First is that during the recording of the rape scene, from descriptions (of Dakota Fanning’s description) there were quite a few people on set, and a lot of those are close to her, so I think that it only make sense that if during the filming of that scene if it became too much, or even to real there would have been a stop to it, (remember according to acting sources, some of the worst and most serious scenes are the hardest to maintain seriousness, especially with a child actress)
And really, how many of the people who wrote messages here are actually going to take a 12 year old to see it…how many 12 year olds that you know that would really want to see it, even if they do know what it is…and would they really lose their innocence from watching the movie?…would they really gain anything? Or would they complain that they wanted to watch flushed away.
last things
people that don’t have a problem with it…you just might be more accepting than those next to you- which can be a good thing.
And to people that do have a problem with it…you just might be more caring than those next to you- which can also be a good thing.
Lets just hope the scene isn't too explicit. I think everyone can 'get the picture' of what is going on, with out the gory details. Acting in a low budget film, will still make her tons of money in the long run. Another credit, another job somewhere down the line. It can at times seem like the child is 'pimped' by their parents, sad to say.
People get over, she obviously wasn't dramatized by the film or the scene in question. There are truths in this world, vulgar though they may be, and whether or not you want to admit it these are things people need to be informed of. If you have a problem with your daughter or son seeing it, dont take them. If you yourself are offended, dont watch the movie, no one is making you.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it an outrage or a scandal. Calling for the arrest of the actresses agent and mother is the most idiotic thing I've heard recently and -as far as I can tell- not a single person has offered a shread of proof that any laws were broken. What exactly should we arrest these people for.. offending you?
Why not arrest everyone that makes a movie that you don't like, or that is beyond the scope of a sitcom? I'm now calling for the arrest of everyone in involved in the making of 'American History X' and 'Requiem for a Dream'. They exposed me to the dark underbelly of this world ::SCOFF:: OH MY GOODNESS ARREST THEM!!!!
If anything, we should appreciate the fact that there are people out there trying to get real points across. I'm more outraged by the actions of our politicians.
It's time to stop shielding everyone from everything. It may be hard to believe for some of you, but people can handle making up their own minds.
My Dearest 'Anonomous',
You're too fast for me! Can't get one past you. You're right, the camera can only capture so much, thus the advent of what's called 'special effects.' I'm not sure (I must admit, I'm curious) how old you are, but surely you must have heard that term. Anyway, special effects allow filmmakers to introduce certain elements into a film that would otherwise be impossible. You can rest assured Mr. Caviezel did not endure actual crucifixion, though he does deserve praise for an outstanding performance.
Despite our differences, I believe we do have common ground. It seems we both have an interest in films, though our understanding of the medium might be slightly different. We might not live in 17th century America, but the digital witch hunts of today are a close second. We're both allowed to eat bacon - that's got to count for something. My point is I'm sure we'd get along just fine.
Take care,
ThereIsNoGod
P.S. I'd love to hear your take on 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' - poor people!
Some mighty good responses, Congratulations to the broadminded and logical thinkers. Not all oldsters are stuck in the doddery catagory and admire the ability of today's film makers to address some of our age-old bugaboos.
What about the actor that has to do the raping. Poor boy will be known as the rapest. I think it hard on both actors.
Anonymous - -its no wonder you can't own your comment. Grow up. Or at least explain how you can divine Dakota's parents motives. She is a brilliant actress who might wind up a huge star or a teacher, who knows?! At any rate a phenomenan and a human being,she deserves better than judgement from the likes of YOU.
Would it have still been ok is she did this movie when she was 6?
Where's the cutoff? The argument that we should shed light on this subject and in the same breath that these things happen to children of all ages, is obsurd. If you strongly feel that way, then reply back with this statement: 'I would go to the movies to watch a boy or girl of any age, including an infant, get raped and have no moral problems what so ever because someone of authority on the set said it was ok. I feel that a protrayal of a child rape seen, regardless of the actors age is a benefit to society as a whole and we should make more movies about this subject. Each movie should include children ranging in age from infant to 17 so that the public can TRULY see that it does happen to children of all ages. I feel so strongly, that the education of the public supercedes any and all judgement of morality or consequences.'
...DF is a child. is anyone going to argue that? how is it possible for her to evaluate the situation in such a way that she can judicially decide what is best for 'herself' now and down the road? she can't. that is why minors have so little power, and are not held responsible for their actions in the way that an adult is made to. her parents traded in her childhood, and DK's assertion that it's what 'she' wanted doesn't hold any water with me.
you might think Foster and Shields turned out 'fine,' but last time I checked, one was still not being upfront about her sexual-orientation (pretty strange), while the other attended a thetan celebration in honor of the bully who called her a big pill-popping loser...j/k...
You Americians are unbelievably stupid and puritanical. Get Real, why shade life to your rosey colours? You so like everything to be happy and non scarey. But guess what, it can be sometimes, an people NEED to know it can be so they can watch out for the bad things. She is an actress for gods sake, she is acting... DO YOU SEE?
Dakota Fanning was not raped in the scene. Is that being disputed? She is a child. She understands, even if only on a surface level what rape is. If those things are indeed true, what is the argument against this? Is rape something we should not even give attention to? Does ignorance of the problem make it go away? These are questions I ask the critics.
You know what? She's a kid. But she's a very smart kid. And she's also extremely right. I was also sexually assaulted as a child, and coming from that prespective...why in the name of the gods would anyone want to silence what others already silence too much? Are we so ready to turn our backs on situations like these? People who would want to stop it should be ashamed of themselves for not looking at the big picture. We're more keen to let movies be produced that depict people having their heads chopped off with light sabers than we are to show REALITY. The reality of life now a days folks is that these things do happen and have happened in the shadows that we ourselves have created for MANY generations past. And for the record, I'm 21 years old. I haven't got much time over this kid.
Brava Dakota :) And to your family and everyone else who let you do this role. And Brava to the director who was able to write about her own experiences and share them as a way to possibly help others shed some light on these deplorable situations. *claps her hands*
I surprise and sad that so call 'adult' who should know better are willing to castigate Dakota Fanning, her mother, her teacher and the film production team without having seen the movie. How the so call responsible adults going to be resposible for Dakota's well being. Dakota is more intelligent and matured than some of the hypocritical people who were morally outraged. Please let her live her own life the way she sees fit.
Cootie, have you EVER had an English lesson yourself? Don't be so damn critical of Fanning. If she & her family are smart, they'll be just fine.
If you find that kind of scene objectionable in the movies, then don't go see the movie. It's that simple. It's called the market economy. Learn about it. I find it hard to fathom though, at the same film festival, there is a movie about a guy who had relations with a horse, and died from a perforated colon. And no one is protesting about that. Are we that uptight that we can't even see something controversial and talk about it? Or does the 'religious right' expect to see Miss Fanning continue to remake the Dr. Seuss and Charlotte's Web movies when she's 35?
I think what the real issue here is, is that nobody wants to face the actual issue of child rape. Sure, it's easy to put it into a ABC movie of the week setting, where everything involves the prologue and aftereffects, but nobody... I repeat, NOBODY, short of the actual victims, want to examine the actual sensations and experiences of the rape.
Put plainly: If you are outraged at this, but do not want it to be censored, you are right. If you had similar experiences to this, and want to show it as it is, you are right. Seriously. If you are against showing the ugliness of such an experience, you are either guilty of supporting such, OR you experienced such and are blocking it because you don't want to be reminded of it.
Sorry, but in my own case, when I was a child, I didn't know it was a bad thing when I was raped at 7. I believe, however, that every one of you should be forced to see your world in that time period. Most people who were raped for human history weren't even acknowleged until about 20-30 years previously. Underaged rape victims were society's dirty little secret, to the point where some were given prefrontal lobotomies up til the 60s, because nobody wanted to admit they were raped.
So in this case, someone who happens to be the age that most of this happened is daring, god forbid, to acknowledge it happened, is suddenly under fire? Screw you, she deserves credit for presenting it as it was, as it happened, and acknowledging it actually occured.
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