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By Stone Martindale Jan 24, 2007, 21:23 GMT
Dakota Fanning 'mad as she can be' at 'Hounddog' critics
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The Real Deal needs to lump himself right along with the very ones he's criticising......what is he doing rambling on like an idiot??? Everyone has gotten way off the subject with so many stupid remarks. There has surely got to be something else more important than this. It just boils down to people thinking it wasn't appropriate for little Miss Cutie Pants to be in this film...........period!!! And, believe me, no amount of money would be worth what these 'so-called' entertainers go through or at least for the ones who want to keep their faces out there every day. Anyway, it seems as though most people think this movie was a bad choice right now for this child......OES!!!!
'Hilarious' didn't quite live up to his name. I read your comment, and try as I might, I couldn't find anything closely resembling hilarity. Your comment didn't even muster a chuckle. I can squeeze more emotion out of a sneeze than you evoked during your long, and pointless, rambling.
Here's what you need to keep in mind:
- You're a moron (in America, we spell the word 'criticizing' - not 'criticising')
- You wish you were like me
- I drive a Dodge Stratus! You can't talk to me like that!
- My friend, Theodore, rocks!
- Fat people are happy people
- Some pigeons can fly at speeds of up to 110 MPH for 500 miles non-stop
- Times for the onset of rigor mortis can vary from a few minutes to several hours depending on the ambient temperature
First. If the scene shows Dakota falling, and screaming 'stop,' and a zipper unzipping... any adult can put two and two together calling it rape.
we can tell that's what it is. How on earth does that scar miss Fanning?
I don't know what school was like for anyone who posted before me. But in elementary school in 4th grade (ten and eleven year olds are in 4th grade mind you) we had sexual education, and talk about sexual harassment. Children are told not to talk to strangers, and they're generally told why. If you're touched inapropriately without your consent, you've been sexually harassed. This is not good. This is why kids don't talk to strangers who could steal them and sexually harass them. They are told about this beacause it really happens and we don't want it to. The 12 year old 'starlette' was acting, probably never saw the character-who-raped-her's underwear. And if you're mad at her for not being upset with her role in a movie... Why isn't anyone upset with an actor who is willing to even pretend to rape someone of that age? You're not mad cause he was doing his job, and he was old enough to know what he was choosing to do. Miss Dakota Fanning didn't seem to mind, neither did her parents, and I believe she wasn't sexually exploited at all... The mind wanders. If you've heard the saying 'to each their own' you know that you can imagine what the rape was like... for the character, when all that happened to the actress Dakota Fanning, is she got pushed down, recited 'stop' and a zipper came undone. (A zipper in which she may never have even seen go down.) It refers to rape, yes, but she's not harmed sexually or mentally by it, but probably moreso by people's complaints toward it.
If you read it in a book, would it be so bad? no. because there isn't a real tweleve year old helping paint a picture in your mind. Just like in that book however nothing terrible has 'really' happened to a 'real' person.
I believe 'The Real Deal' is absolutely off track in this situation. I hope this doesn't affect our friendship.
Look, what 'Hilarious' meant to say is that whether Ms. Fanning delved into farm life to prepare for her Charlotte's Web role, well, that's her prerogative. Remember, Robert Deniro used to nail bottle caps on his garage walls to rehearse his scenes - He pretended the bottle caps were different cameras. Of course, that's before he was big. Now he uses actual people to signify camera angles, thank God he doesn't nail them to the wall, as they can usually stand still for as long as the rehearsal takes (who wouldn't at the threat of being nailed to the wall).
I digress, the point is, each actor has his/her own technique on how to enter the mind of the character the attempt to portray. Whether through intense research, or merely misreading the script, the way Keanu Reeves does, reading each line as if punctuated with a question mark, the thing to keep in mind is that they're doing it for the craft.
P.S. 'The Real Deal' - are we meeting at 7 PM or 7:30 PM? Lost my organizer. Give Chad a call and tell him to bring the bean dip. And don't forget to shut down all your appliances before leaving the house - we don't want another fire.
Whoa, people!
Since when is this about Robert DeNiro? But if you're gonna bring him up, let's not forget that the only reason he bowed never to return to France was an investigation into his involvement with a prostitution ring in 1998.
Let's get back to the issue at hand here. My comment was about the mistreatment of barn yard animals. Sure, you might think Ms. Fanning is cute as a button and you'd like to put her in your pocket. But to a little duckling or a baby chick, she's a gigantic monster. How would you feel if a 70 ft. monster was coming at you? Even if its intentions were kind, the sight of it would cause your sphincter to unravel in fear.
Look, I'm not saying actors shouldn't be able to conduct research for their characters, but couldn't they have at least used fake barn yard animals? Or if they needed real animals, couldn't they just introduce the animals to all these actors slowly? Maybe use a standee for a while so the animals can get used to the image without the fright of sudden movement? The point is, I like chicken, and the last thing I want to do is eat touch chicken meat, which is what happens when you scare chickens. Their muscles tense up and the meat is worthless.
P.S. 'Theodore' - I thought we were meeting at 9 PM. I called Chad and he says he's bringing the salad and you're supposed to get the dip - I'll let you two figure that one out. Sue says 'Hi.'
Hilarious was meant for you or maybe you are too out of it to understand.
I think you need some serious help here......you can't even comment without being a real jerk........get a life!!!!!!!!! You can't even stay on the subject you are so into yourself...............
What does the Real Deal think he is doing........he's the one rambling with his long-winded remarks that go nowhere, but then, maybe he doesn't have anything better to do than be fat and drive around in his old Dodge. I read some real envy here.........it's probably a good thing this isn't video. And, by the way, I agree that you can't seem to stick to the real subject here, or can't you remember after all that crap you spew forth???? It is about Dakota Fanning after all. If you took the time to read some of these comments instead of being so wrapped up in your spouting off, you'd see some that have some really good remarks. I almost feel sorry for you.............
I think you are all crazy and way off base. If the stupid movie ever gets picked up, so see it or not..........who gives a rat's ass!!!!
'Hilarious' and 'Enough' - I don't think you understand what's going on here, so let me be a bit more specific.
I'm constructively contributing to this forum when a pair of morons, namely, 'Hilarious' and 'Enough,' started running their mouths without even knowing what the point of this forum is!
The point is, as proud Americans, we cannot, for the love of God, allow such trespasses to take place. Do you think the Japanese are dealing with this stuff? No! Do you think the Dutch are dealing with it? No! It is up to us to get up and shout: 'I believe!!!' Say it with me! 'I believe!!!!'
If that's not clear enough for you, perhaps you should see your doctor about that lobotomy - it might not have been as good an ideas as you thought.
Dakota is My Favorite Actress in the whole world. She won't be messed up, she won't turn into a brat, just cut her some slack. She can do this move and I'm proud of her for speaking for her mother.I'm Proud of her for everything she's done. So Go on Dakota! do your stuff,and Shine Brighter than any star in the sky.
...i'm on board w/ The Real Deal's evaluation of the barnyard 'situation.' thx for putting it all back into perspective for me...
I can almost smell what some of you are smoking through the computer. Some comments here are very good - that this child should not be in a rape scene and acting in a sexual manner throughout this sordid film. I would think it would be embarrassing to her parents for one thing, and why on earth would they agree to her being in this movie?? Isn't there anything better being offered to her that they have to stoop so low at her young age?? It doesn't sound like it will be picked up at any rate, so no one will have to worry much more about it. It's all very disgusting.
So Miss Fanning thinks her parents wouldn't want her to get into 'uncomfortable situations'......they why on earth would they or she agree for her to be in this movie!!! Oh, I get it......because it would be 'educational'!! Then she says after she makes it, she forgets all about it - guess the 'education' didn't stick very long. Ask the girls and women who have been raped and see if they think viewing a movie like this would be classified as 'educational'!! Education of these horrible crimes needs to be done somewhere other than from a movie someone decided to make for profit and notariety. It's too bad when someone dares suggest that a movie like this does no good for the girl in it or those viewing it are branded as religious zealots! Sexual predators are rampant and ignoring it won't make it go away.
How can I put this? Having not seen this movie yet, I can't judge it either way. However, I do not like many comments where people cannot seperate reality from fantasy and that the scene in question was likely filmed seperately. This type of stuff does happen in real life and like some people have said before, shielding children away from it and pretending it doesn't happen is pointless. That is all I have to say. You may agree or disagree with me, but I've said what I wanted to say without losing my head or raging about it.
I have had really mixed feelings about this. In some ways i have to agree with Dakotas attitude even if i don't think she fully understands the horror of rape, and hopefully will never have to.
The scene in question was handled well during filming, i don't think the filming part of it has affected her too much, this child understands that things like this are reality even without a full understanding of the damage rape can do to peoples lives. I do not agree in any way that people have the right to attack her mother. I don't think in any way that her parents just want to make money out of her, if she had bad parents she wouldn't have turned out to be such a good person. Dakota is an actress and she has made a decision to do this because it will help some survivors out there and to make that decision her mother will definitely have talked to her to make her understand the harsh reality of rape, to get her to try comprehend all the things that are normally silenced. It was Dakotas decision and the only thing her parents have done is supported her with the choice she made.
Personally i respect Dakota for doing this. How many children of her age even try to face such difficult issues, let alone choose to make such a big step to try help people. As said above no distress or harm came to dakota because of filming. I have been raped more than once, first at age 12 but i knew nothing of the effects of rape, i learnt the hard way like many other people out there and i wish i had been given even just a slice of the knowledge Dakota has had to gain to make this decision.
I am not for a second thinking or saying that at her age she understands the full extent of the trauma linked to rape, and if she had been through it herself she would probably feel very differently but i completely respect her for TRYING to understand and because she has not been through this and she is young i don't think this is going to trouble her the way everyone is saying it will. In a way this small girl has done an amazing thing, she is prepared to face the reality that most people her age prefer to bury their heads in the sand about, she is making a point that too many children are not prepared for the cruelty of people in life. I lost so much of my life trying to deal with rape because i had not been prepared, i was lost, confused and ashamed, i blamed myself and went completely of the rails, i even broke up my family and made my mother ill. But people speaking out like this and refusing for rape to be silenced IS educating young people that these things happen and most importantly it shows that you are not to blame if something like this happens, you need to feel no shame and you CAN tell someone. If rape is always silenced and never talked about it sends the message out that it is something to be ashamed of, if no one talks about it then you are telling rape victims to keep it to themselves.
Dakota is an actress, a very good one. Yes she has had to grow up fast but she is happy with that and nothing is going to change that so why can't she use that as a good thing to help others who are still enjoying childhood while it lasts. But also everyone should remember that rape happens to many people who are still young, and wouldn't you rather that these children had been prepared for it so they can cope with it rather than them still being naive and not understanding what rape is and suffering because no one was ever strong enough to prepare them for these things. Just because a child has awareness of these events it doesn't mean it ruins their childhood what does ruin childhood is being raped and never being able to talk about it and get the help they need to move on. Kids are much smarter and much more aware than they are given credit for. If you keep these children completely in the dark they are at a much greater risk than if you warned them about staying safe. You can't watch over your children 24/7 to keep them safe but if you educate them about these things THEY can take steps to keep the risk they are at to a minimum.
And before you criticise the way filming the scene was handled why don't you get your facts right. They didn't just throw her infront of a camera to do this ,she had a lot of people present to give her support, they did everything they could do. The director even spent a whole day with her doing pottery so they could talk about the storyline to make sure that she was ok with everything she did. She clearly has a lot of support and those people who are saying that she is going to be a troubled teen because of this should remember that she has a good support network set in place and that she never has to do anything she doesn't feel right about and even if she did have difficulty in her teens, MOST TEENAGERS DO, it is not all going to stem from this one experience. Growing up in the public eye she is much more likely to be a troubled teen because of the criticism she gets rather than doing a scene like this where everyone around her has tried to make a comfortable, positive environment. She didn't actually experience any part of rape, the scene was created by doing a shot of her afraid ON HER OWN, then filming the other parts seperately. Just because they strung the images together doesn't mean it was filmed exactly like that. I do understand that when people first heard about this that it sounded horrific but no everyone knows the facts they should give everyone involved in this a break, no one has even seen the movie yet so reserve your judgement until you know what you're talking about.
Amen to a2a's comment above!
Dakota Fanning is one of those little rich kids who wears all the most expensive clothes and carries Louis Vuitton purses around like she owns the universe. Since when does a 12 year old girl WANT to be showed butt naked being raped. If that was me I would be emberassed and i wouldn't even want to see myself on the screen. That is a result of the media and the life that someone in the spotlife is pressured into. Is this girl 12 or 32?? Seriously she's not even attractive so how in the heck (I'm not using a harsher word because they would be deleted) did she end up starring in so many flipin (again the language) movies?? She looks like her face has been ran over by a steam roller. People like her make me want to a take a fork and gouge my eyes out!! If that girl was my child, the only physical contact she would expierience would be my hand to her butt (again with the language). Please never let over achieving little girls join acting because if they do they'll become spoiled bratz. My money goes on Dakota fanning having sick thoughts because she 'liked' getting 'raped'. Do us all a favor and go bankrupt!!
i think it is Dakota and her parents choice to do what they want. But they should be aware of what their child might become. I think Dakota is a very meture girl of what i have seen in her movies and can handle this scene. Dakota i think you could be a great Director and stand up for yourself. Good Luck Dakota!!!
dose anyone of you know what gos on when they shoot a scene. in this SCENE #53
Daddy is pleasuring himself as Dakota watches until he completes the act.
they say they dident shoot them togeter.that she dident see david doing that.then how did they line it up. they would have to be in close proximity at some point in time to get the line up. they just cant go on set [act out a part] and then line it up cant be done.even if they had a green screen or blue screen. they take photo of it in stellfrm to line it up they have to be in close proximity in time to line it up. and if they shot scene #53 with the softwear they have they can make it look like there not together by off setting it in editing mode with a computer. there are lots of wayes to set it up to hide the truth. and illmost bet that was a coseled shoot too. that is a adult term. in movie's. and the bodystocking is see through. anoughter adult trm. and this one. SCENE 80 Daddy sneaks into Lewellen's bedroom as Lewellen lays in bed in her underpants.agin close proximity has to be done to get the scene to line up sorry but true. Later on he climbs in her bed {nude} i gess she wasent ther when he did that. i gess they shot her' then him. then how they line it up. ill bet too that was a closed set too. in most of the dum movie she is in her underwear well i gess no driferent then running around in a swimsute but stell its rong even to do this movie agin SCENE #85
Daddy wants Lewellen to sit in his lap, Lewellen asks why and he smiles and says because it 'feels so good. so how did they get away with that one and her not being there. or him for that mader. did they shoot hin setting there and then shoot her. one would have to ask. if i was the law i want to know what went on in this one. hey what about this one SCENE #39
Lewellen and Buddy have just finished swimming in the creek when they run to a shed and strip naked. agin closedset adult trm. {but this is the scene that the crewmen saw} and turn in along with the rape scene. it was front lit and it was shot all the way through with stoping. and then the say it as shot in sets. make up our mines. Soon they begin kissing and fondling each other as they have done 'many times before'. This scene was quickly reshot the day after the investors pulled out. What was on the film that caused them to reshoot? Was this what upset the investors. key word here { reshoot } they shot the scene #39 2 times. y is it not in the movie,one would have to ask. yse there is one that cody and dakota is kissing and there togetger but then scene 39 is not there y.y.y.y.y.y. shoot a scene 2 times only not to have it in the finle cut hummm. how come no one is talkin about this gril in the movie Isabelle Fuhrman- GRASSHOPPER
Grasshopper, is in several scenes. She is the rich neighbor visiting nearby. She is younger than Lewellen. There are shots, 'upskirt' shots (a porn term), that focus Grasshopper's underpants. Later on Lewellen forces Buddy played by cody Grasshopper to strip totally nude well there saying it was simi nud now. and ties them together forcing them to touch each other.
SCENE 77
Lewellen has her own 'upskirt' shot. ok agin i gess they shot this one apart too. you dident see them touching humm.how would they get away with that one too. there are 3 kids in this movie. all have simi nud shots of them. but only dakota has them in shots with adults. about 6 of them with daddy { david morse}and then the rape scene. with {Christoph Sanders} hey agin with dakota she is in a movie's thats has a rape in it too {hidein seek} dident she get raped in that one too hummm. here ill tell you now did anyone see david morse and Christoph Sanders at the frist showing of the movie hounddog. did any one intervew them ? one would have to ask. not one intervew i have read anywhere did i see this about the 2 guys that played a big part in this movie hounddog .i looked and looked stell cant find them in a intervew anywhere.hummm. just thouth id bring that up.this movie {bastard out of carolina} has a rape scene init too and upskirt shot's and she wears a bodystocking and you see her in her underwear. and yes she in scenes with an adult just like hounddog. no one said anything about that movie y.is it becouse they dident have anyone there with a hart.or new the law. one would have to ask. there are lots of movie's that have sex with adults/kids and this is ben going on for year's.say preetybaby and taxi the list gos on. this movie hounddog dose not bring any good. or the rest of the movies they make with kids having sex with adults.its all about the money.
i think they reshot the scnes in hounddog becouse they got cought at it and coverd it up. thats what it looks like to me. regruped and hope for the best.well gess what the movie dident make it. just like {bastard out of carolina} this movie has the same storyline in it. and its in the south too. hummm. gofriger ahaha. ok i build and mod maps for online games meaning i use a editing softwear the best there is and i have movie eding softwear too so i look into it. the movie {bastard out of carolina} ran it through the editing softwear in defultpane as you would see it on the big screen i dident find anything rong with that movie. untell i ran it in storyline pane. hummmm. gess what i found ahahaha. o ya babe. not good. i had to add light /then slowed the movie down/then i went bewieen the beeps in a shot there is 4 to 16 beeps/
doing this it gave me some leadway. ok then i added frm to frm with light in slowmo.in frm to frm it took every shot in the dvd of the rape scenes in {bastard out of carolina} there are 6 scenes 2 of them are split in the last scene of the rape in {bastard out of carolina} mom comes in and finds stepdaddy on {jena} this is a wide shot of it. you see him hupen her {jena} and they are not nud. mom gos for a bolltle of milk on table picks it up and go's for the head of stepdaddy humpen {jena} on the floor. well as she mom pilling him off her {jena} there is somthing there as he roled over and she kicked him in the growing one last time showing what it is. and this is on the dvd. you cant see lookin at it as you would on Tv its dark. but in edit mode you can.and
do you want to know what i found on the dvd. ill bet they know. they just dident think they have to worie about it tell they made hounddog. or that anyone can see things they dont want you to see. hey id like to think that noughting happen to the kids in the maken of hounddog. you cant just look at the final cut and think its ok. look at it this way if there was somthing to hide' and you the actor had everything to lose by telling the truth would you tell. i dient think so.
if this movie make it to the big screen. GOD help the kids in hounddog and the meny more after them. back to modded maps cya
dakota is a wonderful actress and should not have to be treated like that because she wanted to do the part.And she didnt have that bad of a childhood if she keept doing it.Also any kid would die to live a day in her shoes,And anyone who disegrees get over it its not your kid anyways who wouldnt do it youd get so much money its not even funny.Dakota could buy disneyworld ten times and have extra money.Im her biggest fan and i think her parents did a wonderful job.Plus if you disagree why are you on her website.
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