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Based on the recent events surrounding the rape and murder of a 14-year old Iraqi girl, and the killing of three of her family members by four US soldiers and one civilian. The soldiers were sleep-deprived and living on energy drinks and sleeping pills in a situation where anyone outside the fence was considered the enemy. The killings have been the most provocative in a series of war crimes that have tarnished the reputation of US armed forces in Iraq.
Movie information
| Release Date (USA): | 2007-11-16 |
| Rating (USA): | NA |
| Release Date (UK): | 2008-03-21 |
| Rating (UK) : | NA |
| Director: | Brian De Palma |
| Producer: | Jennifer Weiss;Simone Urdl;Jason Kliot;Joanna Vicente;Todd Wagner;Mark Cuban |
| Studio: | N/A |
| Writer/s: | Brian De Palma |
Cast
| Izzy Diaz – Angel Salazar, Daniel Stewart Sherman – B.B. Rush, Patrick Carroll – Reno Flake, Mike Figueroa – Sgt. Jim Ross,Ty Jones – Master Sergeant Sweet. |
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Wow, you're (not your) a bright one, aren't you? The US invaded Iraq under false pretenses, have so far killed thousands and thousands of Iraqi's, displaced millions others, and you think they are the animals? You are an animal for supporting the murder of innocent Iraqis because SAUDI terrorists bombed the twin towers. Typical republican hipocrit. Isn't there an airport washroom you need to attend to?
Most of President Bush's supporters would willingly follow the man into Hell, itself.
But all of them, unquestionably, will.
Please visit my anti-war web page, www.shockedandawful.com
So it's not OK to pack all of the Muslims into one group, but all Republicans is fine?
I think the reason that the movie should be made is to point out the horrors of war, every war. We can't blame the entire military on the actions of a few. The fact that it gets reported at all is a miracle in itself. I'm of the belief that if you don't want to see something, don't watch it. If you don't like a war, don't support it. But don't blame the boots on the ground in Iraq for the mistakes of their leaders. The actions of most military men and women are something to be proud of.
If you don't like the US or how we operate, you can vote to change it. Or, you can leave.
Well now boys, the question I believe is should the 'boots' be held accountable for their actions while they are in a combat situation? What about Haditha or Abu Ghraib? Should we be stringing up our 19 year old National guardsmen on their 3 or 4th tour of duty with no end in sight....is that really who is responsible in a combat situation? I understand that the families of the Iraqi's who are suffering from the war crimes want someone to be held accountable....I am not convinced that the right people are really going to do the time....I think the easily expendable people are.
I can't hear anyone alllll the way to the right. I can't hear anyone allllll the way to the left.
Everyone has a freakin agenda. I know many many military men and women. Most are honorable and very brave, and yes some are a$.
These four a$ do not represent the thousands that would have done anything to have stopped what those four did.
I get so sick of the hateful GWB bashers. It doesn't friggin matter what he does... you will find something to bitch about. I am sick of the friggin left wing liberals that have no clue about how to keep us safe and free. Many would just give us away and sell us out so the world doesn't hate on us.
CLEARLY we should have handled this Iraq problem differently. Let me guess... We didn't have a problem until we invaded? YES WE DID! It was a matter of time or should we turn out the lights and go back to sleep? Saddam got what he was asking for... He wanted the world to believe that he had WMD's. Well... He got someone to believe him huh? ... and no it wasn't just the Republicans... There were plenty of Democratic votes that took us to Bagdad. Some can remember their vote, some convieniently forget.
You are dealing with the mentality of the killers of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl. There's got to be a better way... ON BOTH SIDES! What we have now is NOT working!!
If you believe that leaving Iraq means people will 'Like us now'... It won't. If you think they will be happy to hate us from afar... those days are over. You don't like our son's and daughters fighting forgein soil, dying everyday? They will be a lot younger fighting to stay alive when they are in our front yards. If they don't have your attention yet... give them what they want and they will get your attention very soon.
If we get attacked again or as some would say 'When' we get attacked... maybe we'll see if the next guy reacts better and stops the story to the second graders and runs screaming into the streets.
The whole thing Sux!
War is over, if you want it, war is over now (repeat).
I wonder Mr. GREG FARRELL if you are so commited to your insane beliefs will you be joining the armed forces and requesting to fight in the middle east? Maybe your sons or daughters will be joining you? Didn't think so!
As an American and 2 tour special forces vet, I say Mr.GREG FARRELL, you're a dim witted coward.
Dim-witted because you believe the lame administration propaganda and coward because because you're not in uniform fighting for the cause that the propaganda you believe in espouses.
So Greg, F.O.A.D.
Hey Jim....the man that corrects others spelling. It's 'hypocrite'....not 'hipocrit.' Idiot.
I would like to thank all the men and women that are currently serving and have served in our military. They allow us to continue with our freedom of speech as well as our daily freedoms that most liberals are trying to take away.
Unfortunately, there continues to be individuals that believe every single word that our biased media spews out on a daily basis. Do a little research, people. Speak to our solders when you get a chance and asked what is really going on over there. You would be surprised. Our soldiers aren't fighting a country's army/military....they are fighting a religious war over there. The enemy doesn't wear a specific uniform....they aren't a specific gender or age. The people are placing bombs on their own children to bomb our soldiers as well as other muslims of different beliefs. It's a larger issue than the oil thing, people. Wake up and get informed!!!!!!!!!!
War sucks and what those soldiers did to that girl and her family was terrible and I hope they are punished severely. Things like that tarnish all of those who fight and die honorably for their country (USA). I am a musician and have performed several tours overseas entertaining our troops abroad and I would gladly do it again.
I realize that the official purpose of this film is to try to end the war, but setting out to make the US military look like bloodthirsty, lawless killers is a HUGE slap in the face to all of those men and women in the US armed forces that do serve honorably.
Will the movie show one single good thing or good deed that anyone in the military has done in Iraq? Not a chance. They purposely set out to find anything they could find that makes the military look bad and evil. Their source for their info- the internet where all stories are true right?
American soldiers left their families and friends to go fight a war that they didn't choose. They were asked by their country to fight in the name of their country. They have done so because that's what they are supposed to do and because there are not enough troops in the all volunteer military they are forced to extend their tours of duty WAY past what they should have to do, but they still do it. Now they are over there fighting for their country and watching their buddies die every day while we sit over here safe and sound making movies about how evil and sadistic the people in the military are to tarnish their image and the US.
I personally detest Bush and everything that he has gotten us into and I don't believe we were right in invading Iraq. If there is anyone to blame it would be Bush and his cabinet, not the brave men in women of the military.
The military is the US's guard dog. The President and Congress told the dog to attack. Don't blame the dog, blame his master. After all the men in women of the armed forces have been thru they have to go thru this too? I suppose they will come home to people calling them baby killers and be spat upon like their predecessors did coming back from Vietnam. Shame on all of us.
The making of this movie leaves me totally disgusted and if I could I would have the makers of this film deported to any other place than the US where they don't deserve to live. How much money will they make off the movie? If it was really for a good cause wouldn't they be giving the money to charity?
Until you can walk a mile in our soldiers shoes, you have absolutely no right to condemn them.
Brian De Palma, you are officially on my scum of the earth list.
The comments by down are rather confusing but if you are blaming the 'Left wing liberals' for 'just giving us away and sell us out so the world doesn't hate on us' well the only people give anything away are the leaders of the current administration who are giving away the future of the country in the form of no bid contracts to their buddies in the corporate world to the tune of billions of dollars in tax payers money. They are also giving away the soverignty of the nation in the form of SPP and NAU agreements made behind closed doors with the only input being corporate interests and no congressional oversight or input from the voting public and in most cases in direct violation to the will of the people. They are also giving away YOUR god given rights to satiate the greed of these same corporate interest that are driving these closed door negotiations.
I fail to see how anyone calling GW Bush up on his flagrant sins, such as his regard for the constitution....the very foundation of the Nation and the document that he is sworn to uphold and protect as it GUARANTEES the protection of your god given rights....as being nothing more than, and I quote, 'A GODDAMN PIECE OF PAPER' can be classified as 'bashing'.
The fact is that yes there were Democrats that voted for the garbage that was pushed at them by this Republican administration, but they likely did so out of fear of being VILIFIED as unpatriotic LIBERALS by the media and others for questioning the Leaders. Please keep in mind a quote on 'Patriotism' by Samuel Clemens on patriots which goes as follows: 'Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel'. They should be run out of Washington DC on a rail for their spinelessness and/or opportunism.
But all this is a digression from the real issue here, this film brings to light the actions that are being taken in the name of the American People by their leaders and their agents(the military). Now that only a handful of military personnel are engaging in these atrocities is not the point, the point is that they are doing so in YOUR NAME and from the POV of those on the receiving end with YOUR SANCTION as nothing is being done to correct these criminal acts. The problem is not that you sanction this horror, it is that you are not being informed about it and cannot correct what you do not know is wrong. The mainstream media are not informing you and it is their function to inform you as to what actions are being taken in YOUR NAME by those who are YOUR agents, in this case the military, because they are too busy flogging the party line just like Joseph Goebbels Nazi propaganda machine. This is because the elitist owners of these corporate media outlets are in bed with the government power brokers and political leaders and have the same interests as the rest of the CorpoGov world: '(Less information + less civil liberties = More control) * more power = MORE MONEY'. The equation is that simple.
By the way, I am sick of the liberal/conservative CRAP. How about just being an American? Half the people are Liberals and half the people are Conservatives and they all talk about each other as if they hate each other and think the other half is destroying America with their sick, twisted distorted views.
It makes me sick to my stomach.
Hello, we are Americans and most of the world hates our guts right now and from reading the news every day it appears we hate our own guts too.
just a guy...
You're kidding, right?
Oh, I recognize you...
You ARE exactly who I was talking about. To portray 'your' big picture is still so focused on the point that YOU and YOUR left wing buddies want to stay focused on. If it were just as simple as behind the scene closed door deal makers you simply fix it with a new administration, but you see this is not something new with the Bush admin or the Republicans. Our attention span is sadly and painfully short.
'Fear of being vilified' indeed. That's the one sided B.S. I'm talking about. Don't hold them accountable. They get a pass. They had access to the same Intel as the rest of them. GO AHEAD Samuel Clemmons!! 'Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel'. and to my boy 'just a guy' They should be run out of Washington DC on a rail for their spinelessness and/or opportunism. Now YOU pick and choose which Patriot to 'run out of Washington DC on a rail for their spinelessness.'
Perhaps you watch the wrong media. I heard about this, and I was appalled. I also refuse to spit on the next service guy I see because of the inexcusable actions of a couple. (I refer to the soldier that attended a peace rally, you know the kind... 'we support the troops, not the war! As he hobbled up to the speaker, with his one leg blown off by an IED, was spit at in his face.)
I'm jaded by all of you.
I did, however agree with your first line. You are confused.
I cannot believe that Mr. De Palma would be so one sided as to take this one horrible event to depict our soldiers. For this one monstrous act I am sure every soldier in Iraq could tell you of at least one valiant and brave act by an American Soldier. How sad that Hollywood uses their talents for tearing down the very men and women who make it possible for them to make such reprehensible films.
This movie show us how bad and ugly war it is...so who love peace and harmony should watch this movie and realise that war is not a solution to solve the problem...And it show a wise man can become unwise when he enter the war...Sometimes reality is bitter for who support the war and cant accept that bush make idiot action...GREAT MOVIE THUMBS UP!!!!
Unfortunately for the American people, part of the Bush administration's 'Iraq war strategy' was to not only wage war in Iraq but to wage a domestic war here at home against anyone who disagreed with the right wing's agenda of endless war and endless profit.
That is why America is divided, because there are those who think hating their friends, family, and co-workers who disagree with them is justified at a time of war. The end justifies the means to the right wing news machine, no matter how dishonest, hypocritical or tragic it is. They failed to comprehend that to move forward to war is to include the ideas and strategies of all the Generals, all the troops, all the Legislators, and ALL THE PEOPLE.
The right wing pundits, strategists and talikng point repeaters instead chose to narrowly define what the strategy was, and all failure was ingnored as the failures happened, always looking forwards and repeating over and over again that in 6 months everything would be fine, because we've 'turned a corner' or 'this time is critical' or 'we're making progress'.
Over and over again we've all heard this from those who say they have ALL THE ANSWERS, and looking back it's just mistakes repeated over and over again. Has anyone been held accountable? How about Bill Kristol, has he been right about anything? What about Rush, has he been right all along? Has Hannity been right? What about Bush? Have they accurately predicted ANYTHING????
Does this movie show only one side of the story? Sure. It's not intended to show any 'sides'. What it shows is a true story about what some of our troops experienced in Iraq.
Do any of you righties care? How many of OUR troops have died because YOUR LEADERS have been painting rosy scenerios for 4 YEARS!!!
Nitro
I can't imagine what 'right wing media' you could be talking about. Media is as biassed to the left as they could possibly be. You don't hear ANY of the success' there have been in Iraq. Did you EVER hear about the baby that fell down the well and our soldiers dug for hours to get him out? They were returning to the village that day for the celabration that the town insisted on having for them.
It floors me to think that there are people, and a lot of them, that do not want us to do well in this war. Winning would be a disaster! Will you still think so when we leave and Iran moves in and we are paying $9 a gallon for gas at the pumps. More scare tactics?... I don't think so. The psycho in Iran has been kind enough to tip his hand and let us know that this is the plan.
But that will be Bush and his buddies getting rich and what he wanted allll along right?
It baffles the mind.
How dare you suggest there is anyone on the left who hopes Iraq will be a failure. Are you at war with your friends, neighbor, and co-workers who disagree with you then? Are you a 'loyal Bushie'?
The media is 100% responsible for allowing Bush to get away with everything he has. Their lack of real, hard journalism is boh disappointing and disgusting. If, in fact, the media was 'left wing', as you say, there would be a lot more news about what is going on in Iraq. If it was truly a left wing media, Defense contractor fraud and abuse would be HEADLINES. If the media was truly 'left wing', Katrina relief spending fraud and abuse would be HEADLINE NEWS!!! If the media was truly left wing, Bush would be impeached by now.
If the media was truly left-wing, they are complete and utter failures at representing us on the left.
Remember, what your so-called left wing media reported every Bush talking point in the buildup to war, with no real debate or rebuttal, despite evidence to the contrary.
Keep it real, pally.... And please stand down your war with those of us who disagree with you.
Nitro
How dare I?
Oh, believe it. I dare, unlike so many that stay quiet because it just opens up more of the same same same... (Sep 2nd, 2007 - 13:13:29)
I will gladly answer your question... No, I am not a 'loyal bushie'? is that the flip side of the bush basher? I am, in FACT, a democrat. A disgruntled democrat at the very least but non the less a democrat. I will say that I am not so quick as I used to be to utter the words.
Maybe you should get off the soap box.
'The media is 100% responsible for allowing Bush to get away with everything he has. Their lack of real, hard journalism is boh disappointing and disgusting. If, in fact, the media was 'left wing', as you say, there would be a lot more news about what is going on in Iraq.'
The fact is they are so busy showing Bush screwing up words and trying to make him look like an idiot they have no time to show anything that would show both sides of what happens in Iraq every day. Not being a good speaker does not mean that the man is ignorant. Showing this crap over and over and over again only empowers our enemies. It makes us weak. Has Bush done EVERYTHING right... of course not. It's obvious that this could have been handled better. By ALL OF THEM!!! We have GOT to hold them ALL responsible!!!
And yes... I DO DARE SUGGEST THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT THAT WANT US TO FAIL IN IRAQ!!! Don't be naive. OH! They may be okay with it if someone other than a Republican takes office, but the idea of Bush pulling off what he set out to do is as offensive as the war itself.
Indeed!! We would have been so much better off had John Kerry won that election! Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would have the keys to the White house right next to his car key!! (And he would be the only one driving because he would be the only one that could afford the gas for that car!)
No, you're right... much 'easier' to blame bush, his 'LOYAL BUSHIES' and the media that I have no idea where you think they are... right, left... Bushes pocket?) Whatever... I can't keep up with this reasoning...
'Remember, what your so-called left wing media reported every Bush talking point in the buildup to war, with no real debate or rebuttal, despite evidence to the contrary.'
Please, help me by being specific... what evidence... exactly?
'Keep it real, pally.... And please stand down your war with those of us who disagree with you.'
First of all... the above statement, I will admit, I should probably just let slide... But, it's just not me...
And so I will just say...'Who's 'Pally' and 'standing down', as you put it... is unnecessary, as I am not 'at war' with anyone. Disagree with me you may... but I send my husband out every other three months for three months at a time to protect the very freedom that allows us to debate this as we will. In peace and no threat of someone knocking on yours or my door to stop us from a healthy debate that can be carried on without causing either harm or fear of reprisal. I mean you no disrespect and I take no offence to you or your words.
I have a problem with people, far left or far right, that can only concentrate on one side. Look at the big picture or you only know half of the story. Who can form a legitimate opinion with half of the picture...
... the chain of evidence for 911 leads to some citizens who live in Isreal. Am I to be called an anti-semite or a racist then for following the evidence? no...and neither are all the honorable souls who have given thier lives for a cause that has been perverted to suit the needs of a very selct group of people who dare to hide beneath a cloak of secularism.
Hey Mel....the man that corrects others spelling. It's 'soldier'....not 'solder.' Idiot.
It puzzles me how, even after all we came to know about how this whole thing was cooked up right from the start, there are still those who try to justify the unbelievable madness perpetrated in Iraq in the name of fighting terrorism. History is saturated with examples of leaders who led their countries to wars and committed abhorent atrocities in the name of - you name it...God or freedom or democracy or to rid the poor people of that country of an evil leader. They all had one thing in common - they always had their own demented agendas that history exposed later on, but too late for the carnage and the bloodbaths that had already taken place and the atrocious suffering had already been inflicted on the innocent from both sides. The job of a president or any sort of a leader that has the power to declare war is the most dangerous job there is; and it's amazing that the process by which we choose a leader to have such supreme power over the lives of others and to decide who's to live and who's to die, and for what reason is so antiquated and deficient, and requirements of wisdom,intelligence, forsight and compassion are not anywhere on that list of qualifications and credentials. That's why nations - even great nations like ours - with all the wealth of capable wise men they can come up with to hold such powers fail to produce such leader and we end up with a joke of a president, in every freakin sense of the word.
When will we ever learn how to pick the right president for the right reasons, who looks, talks, thinks and acts like a responsible president should.
Hi, people just should not correct each other's spelling and grammatical errors. I'm just sayin' that's all...each time this has happened, there have been errors on your pages...that's all I'm sayin'.
So, the war sucks. Your president sucks. People need to get out there and vote. I'm a Canadian who feels like she gives more of a damn than some people living in the states.
There has been war/strife/religious whathaveyou for 1000s of years. Why do the (albeit select few) American's feel that they can solve all the problems of the middle east with this war. Vietnam? More people are dying than died with the original attack. Where does it end?
I feel that the movie 'Redacted' will appeal to a vast audience and maybe shed some light for the hyper rednecks out there. If it bothers you to see the violence and senseless obsession, please do not support the war. How much money has been spent on this war? How many homeless on your streets? How many working poor? How many? I am sure that this money could be spent to assist these people. I hate that a capitalist society is being pushed in places where it has never been before. It seems that capitalism does nothing more than show you what I've got that you don't.
I'm done now. I am sorry if I have offended anyone. I admit that I am not a supporter of the right wing. There has to be something better. Bush did not even win the first time and he sure as hell shouldn't have won the second time around.
One more thing: This is going to be a great movie because it is generating so much discussion. The details are there and it is bad to end the war with the atrocities of a few, but I doubt this is the message DePalma is trying to throw out there...look outside the box people. We are talking about more than the flash and violence in the film. We haven't even seen it yet...well, I haven't.
There are some undeniable truths that people seem to lose sight of.
Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against both Iran and his own citizenry. In addition, Iraq was processing uranium until the Israelis destroyed his reactor. If Hussein had been allowed to remain in power, he would have used whatever means at his disposal to attack the United States.
Iraq invaded Kuwait and his soldiers pillaged and raped their way across that country. The secret police in Iraq kidnapped, raped, tortured, and killed thousands during his reign. Saddam Hussein's own sons were notorious butchers and rapists.
Iraq refused to comply with UN resolutions regarding chemical weapons inspections. If you people can remember past yesterday, you will recall that Saddam acted as though he had something to hide, as though he was inviting a US invasion.
As far as Islamic terrorism goes, those who would like to say that many or most Muslims do not espouse terrorism, let me remind you that there were Palestinians dancing in the streets on September 11, 2001. Islam is an evil cult that calls for the destruction of democracy and the subjugation of mankind to mindless obedience to Mohammed's psychotic ramblings.
All muslims believe that everyone should be brought to Islam. It is one of the central beliefs of the religion. Therefore all muslims are our enemies by definition.
Ladies, next time you start to scream and cry about the war, just remember that if you were over there you wouldn't have the right to say anything or make any decisions about your life. A brother, or father, or husband would decide everything for you.
Bush's biggest mistake was to make a limited and 'measured' response to terrorist attacks against the US. We should have responded with a ruthlessness and scale never before seen on the stage of human events.
DEATH TO ISLAM AND ALL MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE!!
Figures don't lie, lier's don't figure. 400,000 dead between Afghanistan and Iraq with only 4,000 dead for the U.S. is a genocide, not a war on terror. Those drunk with power and zealous self serving religious nonsense will always feel they have the devine right to kill, maim and destroy with impunity in order to steal from and subdue any entity deemed a threat by the real powers that be. Mega-conglomerates that have bought and paid for the U.S. government long ago will continue to enslave, kill, waste and destroy natural resources, defraud with the thousands of media outlets they control, and completly abuse the truth by spinning everything that occurs in the manner most likely to help their agendas. Godspeed to all who work for Peace. There has never been a good war. There has never been a bad peace.
DePalma, Cuban, and the rest that 'produced' this film are sick individuals. My son is in Iraq right now and will be for the next 10 months. Why would you do this?...that's my question. You think this is going to end the war, huh? What a joke. All this is going to do is infuriate the crazy radicals even more. I hope you can sleep at night DePalma, I know I won't until next June. I hope your movie bombs, I hope every movie you ever make again will bomb! Cuban, I hope your precious Dallas Mavericks loose every season from now on as long as you're their owner. When that happens, as you are sitting there scratching your head wondering what went wrong...I'll be thanking God that you got yours!
Thats right Momma G, Depalma is a twisted individual for making this film and then accepting awards for it. I for one, will not view this movie. I think its dispicable that he will reap the rewards for making this movie while our troops and there families 'loose sleep', as you put it, waiting to come home. If the attacks on our troops increase as a result of this film, Depalma, you will be to blame. I think federal prison will suit you just fine. Maybe some loyal followers will send you care packages. God Bless our soldiers, most of us appreciate you more than you will ever know! Now....how do we start a boycotting campaign against Depalma for this film, future films, and every film he's ever done in the past? He is officially on my sh*t list.
Hey G.A.Bush...where are you getting those stats? I think you been listening to too much Rosie O'Donnell. That's alright, go hang out at your local Starbucks. Maybe you'll get some more rediculous numbers to report....puh-leeease.
i see ur all pretty good at slaying each other over their spelling.
well, slay this fools
we`ve lost
i know cos i was there! we cant win and i dont hate the hajis anymore cos there`s no point
violence breeds violence
grow up children
So much to say...
First... Andy: I'm 'really' glad you're home. As a military wife I reserve the right to say... 'We need our service men and women to have a winning attitude.' So, again I say, 'I'm really glad 'you're' home. I want my husband standing next to someone that is strong in heart mind and body.
Walid M: You see things too simply. Bush wasn't the only one to send our guys over there. Why let the left off so easy? They had their part in it. Don't hate on Bush so much that you are willing to give them a pass.
phumbling: I need a Canadian to tell me who won the election. When is the last time you heard about Canada stepping out to help someone out? When your a$$ is in a sling it's this country ya'll will be yelling to that you need help. Then we won't be hearing that we need to mind our own business!
Which brings me to GA Bush: 'There has never been a good war. There has never been a bad peace.'
You're kidding right? Had we taken these fools out when we had the chance, who knows how much of this would even be an issue? We should have minded our business with Hitler too right? He didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Sadam wanted the world be believe that he had the goods. Well, he got his wish. Now he's burning for what he's done.
Undeniable Truths: you're a little over the top for me my friend. There are many decent Muslim people in the world. Don't be confused. If you get caught up in what the extremist are doing you will forget that it is their interpretation of the Koran that is twisted. Not all Muslims want to kill you.
We won't agree on much of what happens. It's okay... We live in a country that we don't have to.
So, let's focus on what the Canadian said about Bush winning the election. That was sharp. I can not believe you failed to mention anything else about what I have written.
Canada is in Afghanastan right now...helping to 'clean up' and keep the peace and all that jazz. Canadian soldiers are dying in this war as well. Back off. I live in Canada - I care about the sanity of the country underneith mine. When y'all want water, where are you going to go? When y'all need to grow crops and global warming has dried up the states...where are you going to go?...yes, I take a vested interest in the politics of the southern nation.
I wish your husband safety and everyone who stands beside him during the war. Take care of yourself.
Phumbling:
Thank You...
I won't lie... I kind of regretted the comment I made about Canada as soon as I clicked 'post'. I'm sensitive, I'll admit. My husband went to sea yesterday and my children, one of whom has special needs, do not deal well when their very 'hands on' kind of dad goes out for months at a time.
I really have no beef with Canada.
I'm really just tired. I feel like we get left hanging in the wind because it's easier to run than to fix the problems.
We have so much B.S. politics going on. Our own people turn on ourselves. Mistakes that have been made need to be fixed.
It's just a power grab and I'm jaded.
I'm just so jaded...
Hi down,
This must be what it is all about. I am sorry if I sounded abrassive (sp?). You must be going through so much right now. I hope everything goes well for you and yours. Take care.
So happy that some one has attempted to make a real story from the Iraq War. De Palma should be celebrated as a real American hero. Heroes see the world as it actually exists and are forced by what they see to speak. I hope this movie is as gruesome and gory as some have said it is. I can count the movies that approach actual war on one hand with fingers left over. As for the american apologists who apparently have their heads firmly wedged tightly up between their legs we should all marvel at their physical flexibility of course its nothing compared to the mental contortions they daily perform justifying the imprisonment, torture, illegal executions, murder (collateral damage)upon the peoples of another nation. This is to all, you should be happy. Your not the ones stacking corpses. Viva DePalma!.
b.dae:
same same same...
((((((((yawn)))))))))
D.Dae:
Your definition of a hero is rediculous. Depalma an American Hero? Not even CLOSE! He made this movie from videos on UTube.
down:
I feel your pain sweetie, hang in there!
Marines not allowed to shoot comercial in San Francisco...
They were told it would back up traffic.
huh? No more Gay pride parades?
Double standards.
Guys, i think this movie is about the war and the other side of the news that 'embedded' journalists churn out from the war front.
War is not a pleasant one, there will always be cruel protagonists and collateral victims; and these realties challenge conventional sensibilities which most Americans are afraid to face: rape, cold-blooded murder, pillage, human rights violations, psychological trauma against the occupied people, and unconventional offensives and defensives vs the conventional war that US forces are used to.
Here in the Philippines, refugees abound because of the war-on-terror against the very people that the US CIA have trained in the Afgan War - the Abu Sayaff. This is not a propaganda spiel, it is the truth. Because of this war, people die, women get raped, homes burned, soldiers get beheaded, and a whole country is dragged into a mess. And the people in America only rave about a movie entitled 'redacted', while people in Iraq, the Philippines, Pakistan, Afganistan, and Somalia live the scenes depicted in this movie everyday of their lives. Now, who has the right to rave about how this movie affect sensibilities?
Please Americans, the world is not yet yours to have ... we still have our sovereignties. Bring your soldiers home and no movie will ever be filmed like 'redacted'.
I wonder how you guys reacted to the movie 'Good Morning Vietnam'!
This film is without a doubt an aid and comfort to the enemy. I can only hope that the Justice Department and or Congress investigates both the producers and the vile man who made it. They all should be hung for treason. In a perfect world they would be. As for the Idiots who expouse such a film they too will feel the sting of justice as soon as the good patriotic Americans of our country deside to end their sudicious, traitoristic and plain old unAmerican values and behavier. I read the spew of someone on this board who said that he was a Special Forces soldier and you mister are a lier, if you were an SF operator you would never in your life spout off like you did. For the rest of you Socialist excriment, you had better get a clue before what you want becomes reality. If it does you will be the first on the chopping block of these Islamic monsters. I investigate and arrest men in the Army who do things that we would all call War crimes and these four sacks of dog stew dipicted in this poor film have all been found guilty under the UCMJ and sentanced to life at hard labor in Federal Prison. For the uninformed person who pointed out and used Hadditha and Abu Garab as examples of how bad the Army has been from the get go, the people that were charged with war crimes at Hadditha were totally exonerated of all wrong doing and the soldiers at the Abu Garab prison were all arrested, tried and found guilty and also sentanced to prison. Anti War activist do not get it, they never will and they are actually just useful idiots of the Socialist element of this sociaty. They neither think for themselves or do any actual study of any subjects that they use for their attacks, which is to degrade and destroy the very institution that protects their right to be stupid. This poor example of cinima is not only deplorable like most of the cretins that are on this site, but like them it will only give our sworn enemies the will to fight on and even highten the effort of their recruting campain. The very thing that the Anti War crowd says that it wants (to bring the troops home safe) will not be achieved by their retoric and the wide distribution of films like this. You put us in mortal danger by your infantile actions and you also put our country in that same danger. The saying of I support the troops but not the war, is a pure and simple LIE. You hate the troops as much as you hate the war and you prove it every day that you exist. AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. Leftist in this nation have proven that they do not love it. I pray that they just leave it.
As the mother of a soldier getting ready to return for his second tour of duty I find this movie vile and just more deception by the extremely liberal media to play politics with the Iraq War.
My son was the public information officer during the first 18 months of the war. It was totally amazing to him how the media, ABC, CBS, NBC, BBC etc distorted the news and the actual events. They pleaded with the soldiers to leave rubble, so they could have their dramatic 'shots'. Never did they show Iraqi's thanking the soldiers. We need to let the military run the war not Congress. Never heard that the parents of the soldiers in the 1st Armored supplied the Iraq children with school supplies? How about the Universities and Arts up in running within 3 months of the Americans taking command? No suprise you never heard this. Thank Hollywood.
I would love to have a face-to-face meeting with Brian DePalma, and give him a dose of reality.
I for one will never ever see this movie. Brian De Palmas... you make me sick. I can't believe my husband is over there in Iraq right now having to fight for your right to make such filth! My husband and friends that are currently deployed are honorable, courageous men. There may be a few over there that have not done right but do not try and portray all the men and women fighting as awful, evil killers. Because they are far from that. The media doesn't show what really goes on there. That is why my husband says not to look to the news for information because it isn't all the truth.
It absolutely brings me to tears because I am so angry and upset about this movie. I have to live in even more fear that these extremeists will see this movie and take it out on our troops. Funny, how people want to show how 'awful' our troops are but not how awful these terrorists are. I don't care how you feel about the war...but if you don't support our troops then do us a favor and get out of this country. Or better yet 'If you dont stand behind our troops then feel free to stand in front of them!' Brian De Palmas...please take your place on the front lines in front of them men that actually deserve to live.
To Momma G and down... I will just keeping praying that our guys all come home safe. We just all need to stick together.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this film has an agenda. It basically builds a strawman out of a few troops who screwed up. Is it right to judge every last troop by this standard? Of course not. While it isn't nearly as bad as Fahrenheit 9/11, it does have a pretty strong bias towards the people risking their lives for a country's future. And no, I don't mean America.
Liberals have drifted into the sickest, most vile, twisted son's of b's in our country.
You butcher late term babies with disregard....and then whine when we hold a throat slitting terrorist in captivity.
You whine if we cut down a tree.... but hang our soldiers out as monsters out before the whole world.
Clinton.... the President elected by you gutter licking libs went to war several times - and bombed Iraq.... but how soon you bastards forget.
You have only one agenda in mind.... to infect our whole country with your hate spewing, family degrading, gay agenda cramming philosophy. You'll stop at absolutely nothing to obtain power, no matter what it takes.
You take extreme pleasure at riling up our enemies.... so they'll fight harder....knowing they have you firmly under their control... Is it any wonder a lib and Bin laden write and spew the exact same hateful rhetoric?
You want to burn down our moral and religious heritage and replace it with a 'sue everyone you can' socialist, government dependent society in it's ashes.
You claim to care about our soldiers, but embolden, encourage and inflame our enemies day and night.... night and day.... non stop....and relentlessly.
Liberals are sick, depraved, self centered, hate spewing people that deserve no better than to be the target of the terrorists they protect and make excuses for.
You have our kids pumped with every sort of attention deficit disorder medication.... you hand out birth control to 11 year old kids....and you ban any moral authority from our schools. And you wonder why school shootings occur once a year or more...
Our country would be far safer if liberals were imprisoned for treason in place of the criminals that are there.... At least criminals don't insist on cramming their depraved, baby butchering agenda on the rest of the country.
World War III is on the horizon you sick bastards....and you are absolutely insane if you don't recognize the probability of this in our children's lifetime...
For their sake.... you better darn well hope our troops get the support they need to get this mission completed.
IF they do not.... there will be h*ll to pay.... and if you don't understand why, then you have a rude awakening coming.
Please Americans, the world is not yet yours to have ... we still have our sovereignties. Bring your soldiers home and no movie will ever be filmed like 'redacted'.
He already made a film exactly like this in 1989, so what exactly were we doing in 1989 to an Iraqi 14 year old in 1989? Read up on your facts, please!
Also, I'd like to point out in someones post a few pages back, these guys got 90-110 years in a military prison, so justice was served. I think its absolutely disgusting that DePalma would make a movie about this. This is a huge slap in the face for all of those that are overseas right now. Neither of these men went to Iraq, NEITHER! They were asked to but both declined. This movie is absurd and I for one will not show support of this movie.
My husband is over there right now and I'd rather not add more worry to what I already have on my plate right now. There is in no way that this movie will stop the war, get real! It will only add fuel to the fire.
carolyn and PROUD Marine Wife, you guys are in my thoughts as your loved ones are called upon to serve.
Gothic Army wife
Thank you so much. Hope your loved one returns soon I believe in his mission and thank you for your sacrifice.
Thank You Carolyn. There isn't a moment that goes by where I don't pray for him. I'll pray for soldier too!
I find it disturbing that people think that 'far left liberals' do not know how to keep our nation safe. If 'safe' involves over-stretching our nations military around the globe in an attempt to protect 'our' (aka. corporate) interests then, no, the radicals can't do that.
If 'safety' can be found by invading nations in an attempt to find terrorists, all the while lying to the populace to gain support for said invasion, no, the radicals can't follow through.
If we can find 'safety' in opening the market to the point where other nations are sending our children poisoned toys to chew on due to the greed and irresponsibility of our nations elite...again, radicals won't be able to show.
But WE can bring accountability to those most powerful, supply ALL families with humane housing, create jobs for everyone who wants/can work, provide health/childcare for every American, create jobs for Americans, appreciate diversity instead of challenging others to PROVE it's relevance and importance, as well as many other human-oriented goals. The worship of capital will not (has never) proved to be beneficial to the masses of people, only a few. We can do better than that. Peace..
So many strong words by those that can hide safely behind the anonymity of the internet. Gotta love the stereotypical nature of some of the comments.
There is a huge difference in 'far left' and 'liberal' Just like there is a huge difference in 'far right' and 'conservative' And then you have people like myself. I don't go for any side over the other. I have views on both sides of the fence.
But to say that all muslims are bad is too much. Get over yourself and your paranoid ways. You are allowed to have your opinions, it's one of the rights our very soldiers fight for. But to put them in more danger for an agenda is total nonsense. If not for them, there would be no right to make this movie.
I understand not everyone is for the war, especially a big portion of the soldiers involved. My hats go off to them for having the bravery and courage to put their lives on the line to protect our country. I agree with a lot of what I see here, and want to puke at some of the other comments I see. As a human being, I am extremely offended at the lack of common sense and decency shown towards fellow mankind here.
I already know the media doesn't tell us everything or report with 100% fact. (That goes for both sides) I wish for the best for all the posters here that have family fighting overseas and hope for safe returns.
I think that the people who disagree with this film should stand out in front of any movie theater playing this and hold a sighn that says support our troops, because this movie is some far left bullshit that is giving a bad name to all us soldiers. It would have been a better movie if he showed both good and evil in the film instead of some one sided piece of shit. Also I bet that terrorist groups are this going to use this film to influence more to join them. Do any of you think that our troops want to come home to films calling them murders and rapists.
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G I. One died for your soul the other for your freedom
First of all,i am a foreign,asian, to be exact.
Iraq is as far,politically and geographically as it can be to me,yet,speaking from my opinion IF my country's soldiers were to be sent to a faraway war,and acrocities were commited,few thing are clear to me,
1-we asked(our democractic elected gov asked) our brave men and women to go fight and die in our name and interest all the time(try not to limit yourself to this war,think further back,like since 200 years ago)
2-they are,no matter what reasons we think they signed up,have a tough,dangerous(try imagine yourself having need to survive a deadly encounter with a robber) and sometimes thankless job to be done
3-they are humans,there are bound to be bad ones amoungst the honourable and the brave
4-you guys should be much matured since vietnam,i.e.,not calling the vets baby-killers anymore
5-then why on earth make a movie (that trying to stop the war) painting your soldiers as murderers? it make no sense,might as well make a movie saying let's abolish the whole military
6-Syrianna make much more sense
We should all be ashamed of ourselves. This war would not be dragged on so long, waste so much money or take so many of our troops lives if we had voted in politicians in favor of turning the entire Middle East into a parking lot. That is the only way wars are won. Americans have been turned into whimpering kittens. This movie depicts a transformation found in some soldiers of any nation. War is hell. Warriors are animals. It is their job to kill and strike fear in the enemy. Some are better at there jobs than others. The Mid-East is composed of mostly irrational and radically zealous vermin. It always has been. They were fine as long as they killed off each other and sold us oil. Now they have overstepped their bounds and are holding the petrol ransom. If this was the 1940's there would be no qualms about going in and exterminating every single man woman and child, taking over the whole area's oil economy. America- Land of the naive, home of the coward.
I think this movie has stimulated some discussion among us. Although there is lots of hate spewed on this thread...and that there may be much more hate...some of the writing makes me think.
I hope the best for the families of those fighting in Iraq and for the actual servicemembers in Iraq. I also hope the best for the people some are calling our 'enemies.' Well, that's probably offensive to some people, and I wish I could explain that better.
I think it's OK to consider the possibility that our troops are not as honorable as we like to think they are...although they might be. It is not necessarily going to endanger them to consider such radical ideas, because we have the ability to analyze those types of ideas over time and make use of them.
It may be that a majority of US troops are honorable and brave, but it may not be. I wish I knew.
I was in the Marines, and I observed a mixed bag of people. Honorable and brave, I don't know. Killers, I don't know. I'm not going to get all tied up in a bundle because people want to show the horrors committed by US soldiers. I just get tied up in a bundle over the actual horrors.
Sure terrorists commit atrocities too, as do combatants of any name. I think we all want to end atrocities whoever commits them. I also believe that most of the people in the United States question this particular war. Well, it's hard to figure out what to do now that we got into this mess; but discussing it may keep us from getting into the next mess.
It was nice to see 'down' and 'phumbling' making a connection up their, if I have their names right. That's probably the ultimate purpose of these discussions.
About the threat to our country, I'm not sure there was a threat from Iraq. If someone can convince me, I'll try to remember to come back to this site to see the postings.
Actually, I'm not sure of the claim that the troops do anything to protect our freedoms. I know that's probably offensive to some, inane to others; but I've heard that claim all my life and I'm still not convinced. Again, I welcome someone to try to convince me. (It'll be easier to convince me my speaking gently and carrying no stick.)
Anyway, I think it's just the culture of this country that many of us insist on being free. And our country is not unique in that. There are many countries as free as ours, as far as I can see. I can also see that many of us are allowing our freedoms to be taken away. I agree with the people that decry political agendas on both the left and right for removing our freedoms in favor of profits. The American people are letting them get away with it...for now. When it becomes too painful, we'll put a stop to it.
Religion? A few people on this thread have talked about it. I know lots of Muslims who do not want me to become Muslim, but they are comfortable with their religion enough to talk to me about it. I think most people of most religions are that way, as I have experienced them. Sure there are some people who believe the whole world must be converted to such-and-such a religion. Sometimes they get into power.
The media? Yep. The media represent the left and the right very poorly. I hear people on this site from both ends of the spectrum and in the middle criticizing the media for being too liberal or too conservative. I read the same thing in my local newspaper's opinion section. I read it in movie magazines even. I think there is something to it. So, hopefully all of us can find some common ground in wanting the media to show a more complete picture. As for saying there is a liberal or conservative media. I still believe that many reporters are liberal and that most of their corporate owners are conservative. That's, I think, why we get such a mangled mess of both conservative and liberal bias.
My problem with the media is that we are not a part of it. It rarely tells you news that is useful (unless you read the stock market section).
OK, so somehow I have to remember this website and come back to it to see how the discussion progresses from here. I hope I don't get caught up in all the head-to-head stuff.
In case you couldn't tell, I'm mostly liberal; except with money and abortion. I am not a socialist, Starbucks drinkin', moonpie, nutcase. Nor am I a redneck, brainwashed, loyal, Bushie. But I'm willing to train.
Oh yeah, I might watch the movie, if I want to get depressed and angry.
I have tried to write a note here, but words fail me. Disgust overtakes me, disgust with the makers of this movie, who are totally biased, and with some of you who seem to support it.
I remember a time when this kind of dialogue was not even considered, because we were a nation pulling together. I grew up during WW2. There are so many similaries to the causes of this war and the causes of WW2. Both were started with fanatic nations and/or ideologies.
Suffice it to say that we don't have the guts and fortitude that we had back then. We have become a nation of softies, and pretty selfish, thinking only of ourselves. Don't upset my apple cart!! Heck with the rest of you. Don't bother me in my little world.
Enough said by me. Ridicule if you must, it just shows me that I am right. The guilty are usually the first to yell and complain.
i have not seen this movie nor do i plan on seeing it
it is a disgrace to the american people, whether you are a democrate or republican
lets all please keep in mind that in the being of this war in iraq both dems and reps voted YESSSS to invade...now democrates are turning their backs on our troops...DISCUSTING!
i am a young girl and i feel that i have more sense then most of the people agreeing wit this movie
this movie is a disgrace, how dare someone make the young men and women that fight for our country out to be bad people
you have no rite to pass judgement on any of our men or women in uniform until you yourself get out there and fight for your country yourself.
Its amazing that hollywood thinks it can make a rational and intelligent movie. It is typical hollywood libs trying to push their socialist agenda(think glover, penn and others visiting senor dumba** chavez). But have you heard chavez is going to tighten the screws on spanish industry in his country because the spanish king told him to shut up. Or the fact that he has shut down tv stations because they dont spit out his socialist venom. I wish these hollywood libs would take a one way flight to venezuala and live in a developing socialist society for a few years and see if it is so great.
so there are alot of things i would like to say but i can't. first of all i would like to point out the irony that this guy is making a movie discriminating against soldiers that are giving their lives to protect out freedom. these men are fighting to maintain many freedoms one of whcih is the freedom of speech, and this guy, to me, is abusing it. he is insulting men that are dying to keep that right and freedom. this whole thing is just messed up. my uncle spent a year over there, my girl friends uncle spent a year over there, my uncle may go back, my grandfather was in the middle of pearl harbor, so you can see why im so pissed off. i hope this guy rots in hell.
To HelloAll:
I would like to answer your comment on the Military protecting our freedom. I will draw on my own situation as that is all I really have.
My husband is a Submariner. He is, in fact, out on patrol right now. He goes out and patrols whatever big box of water they give them to watch. His job is basically to watch and or stop any foreign ship from getting too close to or threaten our shores. His is a nuclear submarine. I've asked him, did he really think if it came right down to it if he could push the button. He is a Missile Tech. He is one of the few that it would take to launch. He answers without hesitation. He says my job is NOT to launch. If I have to launch, then you and the kids are already dead. Could I do it? Why would I not? The boats are a deterrent. The world has a limited knowledge of what they are capable of and that is effective. Everything is secret with the boats. Contrary to what many think, we do not need to know everything the Military is doing. My husbands saftey depends on it.
DePalma should know that the crime depicted in Redacted is the exception and not the rule, and that the perps were tried and imprisoned.
That people on the Left cannot see the difference between this one-of a-kind situation and the intentional targeting of innocents as the main strategy of the Jihadists - is baffling.
The U.S. military knows that 90% of the battle is that they act in a way which will win over the Iraqi people - not send them into the arms of the insurgency.
Why don't the Iraqi people go running and screaming for cover when they see our soldiers patroling? Because we have been extremely careful and kind with the Iraqi people in the vast majority of situations.
That is the truth that DePalma would distort with his disinformation.
To all the military wives, mothers, and family members that have posted comments - We know how proud we are of our soldiers, We know that this movie is a slap in the face to our troops, We know that Depalma is clueless. We need to stick together! My husband is retired military and served in the first Gulf War. My oldest is over there right now, and he wants to be there...he believes in his mission whole-heartedly. My second oldest is going over some time in the Spring. My youngest wants nothing to do with the military, which is fine. All I know is that I want to cry when I read some of your comments...I know exactly how you feel! When I read the comments supporting this movie, I get a sick feeling...that people can actually feel this way. I spent a Sunday in Washington, DC recently. It was a gorgeous autumn day, I had my family with me and we were doing the usual sight-seeing. When we got to the War memorials, I got this over-whelming sense of pride. I thank God everyday for our soldiers...past and present. Without them, we wouldn't be doing the day to day stuff all of us take for granted (including me). We should treat our military like royalty, like rock stars, like warriors that have saved our way of life countless times. If DePalma ever actually spoke to any ex-soldiers, especially the old timers, do you think he'd change his mind? I know my husband, an Uncle, and probably my father (if he were still alive) would like to teach him a thing or two about American values. I know most of us are middle class, hard working and trying to make ends meet. We try to raise our kids the best way we can, and we are decent people. I also know that the Hollywood movie makers could care less about our day to day struggles. So why in the hell do we have to put up with them making disgusting movies? We don't, I'm not.
Del Wasso,
I though libtards like you didn't believe in 'Hell'? So why say that all George W Bush supporters are going to 'hell'? Please explain.
JonseyAug 31st, 2007 - 23:52:44
As an American and 2 tour special forces vet, I say Mr.GREG FARRELL, you're a dim witted coward.
Dim-witted because you believe the lame administration propaganda and coward because because you're not in uniform fighting for the cause that the propaganda you believe in espouses.
So Greg, F.O.A.D.
Jonsey,
Serving in the military doesn't give you the moral cover to spout out moronic diatribes like that above (isn't that what the movie 'Redacted' is about? Simply wearing a uniform and being in Iraq does not make you a good person).
Mr. Farrell's comments were far more intelligent than what you just spewed.
One does not have to believe 'administration propaganda' to realize that there are times when intervention is needed. Saddam proved over and over again (with his coup in 1979, invasion of Iran in 1980, invasion of Kuwait in 1990, etc) that Iraq would be a better place without him. Despite being blinded by liberal propaganda, you fail to notice the U.S. death toll in Iraq since 2003 (less than 4,000 in four years) is less than the number of murders in NYC during the Dinkins administration (about 8,000). Oh, and NYC only had about 1/3 Iraq's population.
Del Wasso: I visited your website that you advertised in this thread. What a fricken joke. How come you don't have people's comments posted on the site? Coward! You obviously dont want the world to see how many people you make sick. You worm!
How many were raped and murdered in LA yesterday? How about a movie on that.
I came back. I found the page again. I still believe that this wonderful discussion owes a debt of gratitude to the maker of the film we've been discussing. I mean, most of us haven't seen it, but we're all still discussing the topic with a variety of opinion that can eventually lead to sound decisions on our views about the military, military actions, military personnel, and how the people of the world are affected by military power.
I, for one, love seeing the discussion. You're always going to have people choosing sides and calling each other weird liberal/conservative pun-insults, but that's the price we pay for getting to see the rest of the discussion.
So people believe this movie shouldn't exist. Now that it does, what to do? Some people have suggested protesting it. Others claim that the movie makes a good point. I'm sure many would disagree on what that point is. Since I have not seen the movie I can't say what I think the point is. I only know that the filmmaker would like to see the Iraq War end.
Well, I have trouble taking sides on this issue (though, I probably have an unconscious bias). I think it's fine to vilify the violence that happens during war, even though I acknowledge this movie is probably about an illegal violence. At the same time, why not feel grateful to our veterans? Then again, why not honor the veterans of other countries, even those of enemy groups? Perhaps it's because sometimes you have to stick together as a nation, as a tribe, as a family, as a culture? Or do we?
Anyway, I think that this is a very unpopular war. I still have some faith left in the people of the world and their collective opinion. Why is this war so unpopular? Why is this movie so controversial?
Mostly though, why should President Bush have to go to hell or why should Brian dePalma be condemned as a traitor? Aren't they just like the rest of us: using whatever power we have to forward whatever whatever causes we think are important, trying to make a living while having some influence in this world?
Believe me, I'm not trying to be a peacemaker here by playing to both sides. I just think that this movie has stirred the pot enough to get some smart people talking. I know the human race will one day find new arguments to add to this discussion. I think rabble-rousing filmmakers can aid that process.
Still leaning liberal on this one. And on many other things.
Down
I saw your reply. Thanks for it. It sounds like your husband has a challenging job. I've never been a submarine type. Don't know what it's like. You seen very concerned about him and very proud of him. You also seem very well informed of what he does.
The dangers of the world are real. I know that. Nations act agressively toward each other from time to time.
Freedom is a very powerful thing. So many people think they know the secret to creating, protecting, and preserving freedom. Those opinions vary widely.
I respect yours.
Robert:
I don't think so. I live in a Military town. We do subs so I don't know many special forces guys but I do know a few. I've talked to more in the past but right now I know... three.
I've never known ONE that boast themselves or what they do. Everything the do is secret. They NEVER go online and carry on like your post does. In fact, we have to be very careful to NEVER post anything online about our special forces Hero's as it is not safe for them. They have integrity not witnessed often. They carry themselves like the actually don't know that they are the Hero's that they are.
I don't think so.
If I'm wrong, I apologize. Maybe this is just in your personality.
However, I don't think so.
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GREG FARRELLAug 31st, 2007 - 14:46:50
I find it ironic that the same people who think along the lines of this director who comes right out and admits his goal is to get the American People to end the war in Iraq by calling their congressmen after being influenced by this movie's very graphic material are the 'same' exact people who claim we shouldnt show the images of September 11th or the Beheadings which give us some insight into just who it is we are fighting.
Now I know some dumbell will come on here screaming 'But Iraq didnt attack us on 9/11' .. Im not saying that and there isnt a quote anywhere with a credible transcript which suggests anybody 'did say that'. The mentality of the Islamic Animals from Sept 11th we face are also the mentality of the enemy we face in Iraq. They are of the same make. Oh and for the simpletons I didnt say 'ALL MUSLIMS' becasue you know some Liberal Starbucks smoothie drinking moonbat will say 'your a bigot'
I said these specific Islamic Animals.
Now as for motivation for the film , like the director admits, does this also suggest that the reason why the American People have the images from 9/11 or the beheadings 'REDACTED' has motivation behind it? ,,
Could it be that the Leftwing radical movement that unfortunatly runs the Hollywood and motion picture business does not want America to be influenced to fight the enemy? Is there any other reason to cover up the brutallity they they subject innoccent people to? Maybe you clowns should think about that
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