Will the new ‘Ultimate’ Xbox 360 eclipse Sony’s PS3?
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By Stevie Smith Jan 3, 2008, 15:51 GMT
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So basically it will be the same spec as the basic PS3 that was launched in 2006 but with a bigger hard drive? Wow. You could get the same thing by buying a 40gb PS3 and plugging a 500gb USB hard drive into it for probably less than this will cost and unlike the 360 the PS3 is already an award winning media centre. I cant see any way the 360 is going to compete with the PS3-PSP remote media access features either.
And you are feeding the wheels of the rumor mill. Even if this $1000 console comes out, the gameplay will not improve. Devs will still have to base games off of the core system therefore no games will utilize the hd dvd.
Ummm, the 80gb PS3 is $499 USD, not $599. MS can't use the HD-DVD drive for games, so all this will do is jack up the price and replace the Elite, piss off everyone who bought an elite, and utterly fail when HD-DVD is eliminated this year (losing worldwide in sales 9:1 Japan, 4:1 Europe, 3:1 Australia, 2:1 US). This is pure rumour and from a business standpoint makes zero sense.
The 80gb Sony PS3 is $499.00 not $599.00 as mentioned in this article.
LOL!!! Now this is going to be hilarious. Do they actually think that they can succeed in doing this. They created the xbox 360 elite and it still overheats, scratches disks, and gets THE RROD every 2 hours. Also they're just going to fall in the 'focus on hardware' trap which was a bit of Sony's mistake in 06 - Q2 of 07. They barely have any good exclusive games coming out next year when Sony has tons. Sony - Resistance 2, God of War III, Final Fantasy XIII, Possibly - Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, HOME (new network), LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Haze, Gran Turismo 5, and a bunch of others. My prediction is that Sony will become the market leader after all these games come out.
I doubt this will come to pass. The PS3 is already outselling the Xbox by over a 100,000 units a week world wide and the gap is growing. An Xbxx style media centre has no hope of disrupting blu-ray any more than it already has.
Everyone has already covered the PS3's price difference, but the 360 elite is $449, not $479. It's like you never knew there were price drops.
what the hell is the point!! the hd-dvd cannot be used for games and hd-dvd is getting killed by blu-ray! hope this rumour isnt true cause if it is then microsoft are scared of sony and its ps3, we all know as of late the ps3 is starting to show what its capable of and the sales have really picked up. if this is true then this is just a dumb idea! cant microsoft think of any other way to start selling well again!
Furthermore, MGS4 rumors are just that. Konami came out and put the kaibosh on that pretty quick yesterday didn't they? And Crysis...I dunno, Crytek was pretty blunt when they said neither console could run it. And on top of that, Crysis for the PC virtually tanked....so who cares? lol.
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there's nothing the xbox can do, that the ps3 can't. However, there are things that can be done w/the ps3 that microsoft can't compete. If those few changes are what they're hinging the 'ultimate' on then they're in big trouble. people can already do iptv and dvr services w/ps3, why wait for the 'ULTIMATE'? let's see microsoft do remote play! come on microsoft, fix what you have before you throw another mess out to be humiliated.
360 is far from defeted. 16 miljon 360 compared to 8 miljon ps3. 360 also have better graphic than ps3. and a good 2008 line up gears of war 2 ninja gaiden2 lost odyssey gta 4 halo wars. this was only a few
Obviously you all are just a bunch of Sony idiots. I'd be surprised if any of you have ever even turned on a computer by yourselves. First of all stop buying into the garbage that the PS3 is superior. As a gaming machine the XBOX is as capable and is in fact more capable currently due to its more powerful GPU. The Xenos GPU on the XBOX 360 is superior to the RSX on the PS3. Xenos simply has more power - higher fillrate, higher pixel processing power, higher vertex processing power, and better memory architecture. If you look at multiplatform games and contrast the graphics on the two consoles, XBOX 360 almost always leads.This is not an opinion unlike what people like you all think because you don't know a thing about technology. The PS3 with its blue ray player, built in WiFi, and card reader may be better as an all in one machine, but by no means a better gaming machines. On paper, the Playstation 3’s Cell engine is more capable than XBOX 360’s triple-core Xenon CPU. However the XBOX 360 is much easier to develop for. The PS3 cell processor has yet to be utilized and the SDK provided by sony is as usual more difficult to work with to make games and an indication that the PS3 is harder to develop for is the fact that almost all multiplatform games arrive weeks - if not months - after their 360 versions. Eventually the PS3 should win in the category of performance but not until someone is able to fully exploit the system. To what extent and when is a question. One year after the PS3 release was obviously not long enough for anyone to do this. Until then the XBOX, loud and all, is the better gaming machine, period. The PS3 didn’t get much better in a year, and in fact the hardware got worse with each revision. It started out with full PS2 backwards compatibility, and now it has none at all. It started out with SACD support, and now it doesn’t support it at all. However, it also got better in many ways; more than anything, it’s an excellent multimedia hub. With multiple video format support (and DivX AVI support coming), and the ability to stream to the PSP, it’s clearly superior in that regard. Furthermore, it’s a better home video player, since it not only has a better interface for such things, but it doesn’t sound like a jet engine taking off. For all of you who don't know what you are talking about (that's all of you who have or are planning to buy a PS3 for some reason) read a book or just keep your mouths shut. Stop acting like you have to defend your dumb decision to by a PS3 who's life will depend on the success or failure of Blu Ray technology. Either choice would be great for gaming and your decision should be made with knowledge of the advantages and disadvantages of both systems. Until you acquire such knowledge it's probably best to keep your mouths closed.
PS3 supports all the tech mentioned above and more out of the box from the first day.
1- PS3 is a HD-Movie player ( All PS3 models come with a blu-ray disc ) which means all PS3 has the same lower dominator, which is good when developing games for the system because game developers will not have to worry about all the other versions of the console ( unlike what is happeneing in Microsoft campagian )
Note: what is happening in Microsoft campagian is a complete mess, they have xbox360s that has no hard drive capability at all and other consoles that have hard drive. Some xbox360 consoles have component TV out only and others have HDMI. Some xbox360 can do 1080p, other 360 consoles can only do 1080i. Some xbox360 has the red ring of death, other xbox360 don't have it, which is good not to include this feature in all xbox360 models. PS: search google for more information about the Red Ring of Death
2- Even if there will be a model that includes the HD DVD player, Microsot will not be able to utilize it for game uses because the majoritiy of xbox360 gamers don't have the HD-DVD drive and if they do make some exclusive titles that utilize the HD-DVD player, the game will suffer from low demand.
3- lets face it, this isn't a personal opinion, it's just the simple fact that blu-ray is the superior version of HD storage media and of course HD-DVD is the medicore version. not only the blu-ray format has more than double the storage space HD-DVD has, but also Blu-ray has twice the data transfer rate of that of HD-DVD, it means more data can be transfer between your disc and console for a given time, more data means better video streaming and shorter loading time. The only way i can see the new rumour utilizing the 1080p resolution is by only playing HD-DVD not games. I forgot to mention that blu-ray movies are outselling HD-DVD movies by 2:1.
4- All Sony's PS3 consoles come with a 1.3 HDMI port ( Search google for more info about HDMI verisons ), now this guy mentioned that the upcoming Microsoft rumour supports 1080p. That isn't enough info, we wil have to wait and see what version of HDMI it will support. Newer versions of HDMI support more resolution, color depth and sound quality.
5- 320GB is good space, but not good enough for all your demos, TV shows and Movies on any xbox360 console. Why? because Microsoft will not allow you to save or copy your Videos to other hard drive and if you do, you won't be able to load your videos from external hard drives, it has to be in your main hard drive for xbox360 to be able to see it and play it. BTW, your options are limited to Microsoft first party hard dives if you need to upgrade your storage.
Honestly, I don't see a 320GB verison of the xbox 360 winning new crowds, the only thing that kept xbox360 ahead of PS3 is 2 things, the first one is the one year head start 360 had, the other one is the lower price of the 360 and the higher price of the PS3. So, what Microsoft is trying to prove here? That they have a console with higher specs than the PS3? I don't think they will be able to do that Unless they hire some cheap journalists to help them spread their propaganda.
This makes me laugh if true. After all the gloating from the Xbot fanboys that Sony had a rubbish strategy for the PS3, what will they say now MS (seemingly in desperation) are scurrying to basically make a PS3 clone! I've even heard they're working on motion sensing controllers too!!! I also think there is very little chance of them being able to offer that spec for cheaper than the PS3.
If this comes to pass the Sony PR boys should be all over it stating how this is vindication of their strategy, and that Sony delivered the definitive next gen hardware experience to consumers first time where MS are now on their third attempt (360 > Elite > Ultimate).
Also don't forget games will not be able to use HD-DVD or the Harddrive as standard because developers have to cater for the 360 Core and 360 Arcade crowd.
Honestly it amazes me why the 360 has such a backing! Poor quality extremely unreliable hardware (does anyone have their original 360?! lol), continual introduction of expensive proprietary accessories or new models - yeah the console is slightly cheaper than a PS3, but not by the time you've bought the overpriced harddrive (if you're a Core/Arcade owner), or the overpriced wireless adaptor, or the HD-DVD player, or an Elite for HDMI 1.2, or an Ultimate for HDMI 1.3 (which the PS3 already has for the HD-Sound), or the online subscription etc, plus their dlc is generally more expensive than the PSN too (and the PSN also has a lot of free stuff that you pay for on Live like wallpapers and themes).
To me this will be more of a destructive move for the 360 console, they'll probably drop all support for it next year and introduce a Xbox 720 anyway (like they dropped the original Xbox after 4 years, whereas Sony continue to actively support and release software for the PS2).
I wonder if they will also make the 360 Ultimate less ugly? Maybe they will go down the PSX route (remember that?, it was only released in Japan I think), it will probably be just as (un)successful too!
This may just another desperate bid by MS to prolong the HD format war and confuse the HD movie market until they are ready to launch their own digital HD distribution service (reason why they paid Paramount $50M to go to HD-DVD for 18 months). All the signs point to Blu-ray winning, and if Warner jump to Blu-ray exclusively, or Universal go multi-platform, or Paramount go multi-platform after their contract expires, the war is lost and MS will end up with a warehouse full of expensive doorstops!
Seriously I'll be amazed if Microsoft are this stupid...
LOL. as long as it will still use the DVD9(max:8.5gb disc capacity) for the games then whats the point of buying this machine? IF it cant reach the blu ray(max:50gb) game disc capacity, it still stands no chance against the ps3. IT seems like microsoft is all about hard drive gigs but all we gamerz want are good quality games , high frames/s e.t.c.
You know its going to have a Jasper (rumored to be in stores in Augest 2008) mother board instead of a Falcon (which I think came out in October 2007) so that will make up much of the production cost. They will still be able to undercut PS3 and turn a small profit.
I hope it happens. That way people will realize how great the PS3 already is.
All xbox360's are capable of 1080p(including my brothers launch model that still works). An update is required to allow 1080p over component cables. HDMI merely integrates the audio and visual signals.
I love the picture my component cable produces on my 720p set(i have a 360pro with HDMI out but i dont use it, i have an upconvert DVD player using HDMI so i dont have to listen to my xbox fan while watching movies).
The purpose of HDMI is to stop piracy. Eventually studios do not want HD content to be allowed to be sent over compentent cables because they cannot protect the content like on HDMI. This is not the case yet and they wont be able to stop people using older consoles or dvd players.
I also dont want 'true' hd sound. My reciever already supports 6.1DTS ES (which sounds great for movies that support it [sev7n, TLOTR, Xmen]) and frankly i dont feel like dropping another $300 plus on a reciever that might sound the same or only slightly better.
Hey am I too late for this fanboy circle-jerk?!!!
hey M$ is teh NOObz and Sony pawnz all Noobz...
Grow up losers. It's just a game console.
Realtech you are the type of moronic tool that acts as though they know what they are talking about to try and sway people into your idiodic belief that the 360 is more superior. With out all the BS technical crap that has never been proven lay us out the simple facts. how exactly is the 360 better? I think your just a tool fan boy that dose not want anything else to out shine your dull little idle.
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